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Old 06-01-2005, 05:44 AM   #1
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Bono's views on eastern religions?

While reading the "Jesus, Jew, Mohammed, it's true... " thread, a question came up in my mind: what does Bono think about eastern religions (ie. Buddhism, Hinduism, Toasm, etc). For someone who has such a deep connection with spirituality, its surpring that he speaks so little about a big chunk of religions human beings practice.

I remember Bono saying:

"I think the Dalai Lama says", 'Begin with death, start from there, and you won't go far wrong.' "I don't think he was just having a bad day."

It clearly wasn't anything hostile and he probably used it to support whatever he was saying. I would imagine that Bono would probably have respect for eastern religions, and he definitely does not seem like the "people who practice other religions will burn in hell" type of Christian.
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Re: Bono's views on eastern religions?

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I would imagine that Bono would probably have respect for eastern religions, and he definitely does not seem like the "people who practice other religions will burn in hell" type of Christian.
This stereotyping and often demonising (I'm not necessarily accusing you of this Halifax) of Christians who believe Christ is the only way to God is quite disturbing. What's the basis of it?

I don't believe in the traditional fire and brimstone concept of hell but believe that those who reject Christ achieve eternal separation from God. In other words, self-annihilation, which ironically is the culminating state of some eastern religions.


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I love the idea of the Sacrificial Lamb. I love the idea that God says 'look, you cretins there are certain results to the way we are, to selfishness and there's mortality as part of your very sinful nature and let's face it, you're not living a very good life are you?' There are consequences to actions. The point of the death of Christ is that Christ took on the sins of the world, so that what we put out did not come back to us and that our sinful nature does not reap the obvious death. That's the point. It should keep us humbled. It's not our own good works that get us through the gates of heaven.
Does this statement bother those who oppose 'exclusivist' Christianity because it appears Bono is advocating exclusivity?
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Re: Re: Bono's views on eastern religions?

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I don't believe in the traditional fire and brimstone concept of hell but believe that those who reject Christ achieve eternal separation from God. In other words, self-annihilation, which ironically is the culminating state of some eastern religions.
And I have faith that you are ignorant and believe you have separation from self and other humans.
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Re: Re: Bono's views on eastern religions?

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This stereotyping and often demonising (I'm not necessarily accusing you of this Halifax) of Christians who believe Christ is the only way to God is quite disturbing. What's the basis of it?
Stereotyping? Demonising? Where? Who exactly is doing this sterotyping and demonising?

If you're not accusing Halifax of it, then why even bring it up in thread?

In my view such types of debates or arguments are better made in the FYM forum, this forum is to try and discuss U2's faith in a non-provocative way.
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Re: Re: Bono's views on eastern religions?

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Does this statement bother those who oppose 'exclusivist' Christianity because it appears Bono is advocating exclusivity?
Doesn't bother me anyway. Bono is entitled to his view. I know that Bono has many atheist friends because he has said so in interviews. He seems to get along fine with them with they respecting his beliefs and he respecting theirs.

Anyway to go back to the original question, I'm not aware of Bono ever "flirting" with Eastern beliefs to be honest. I seem to recall a quote from an interview where he said that he prefered the idea of grace to the idea of karma.
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And I have faith that you are ignorant and believe you have separation from self and other humans.
And your opinion means what?
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Stereotyping? Demonising? Where? Who exactly is doing this sterotyping and demonising?

If you're not accusing Halifax of it, then why even bring it up in thread?

In my view such types of debates or arguments are better made in the FYM forum, this forum is to try and discuss U2's faith in a non-provocative way.
I was attempting to discuss the label...

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"people who practice other religions will burn in hell" type of Christian.
...and the basis of it in a non-provocative way.

I wasn't judging Halifax...only interested in where the assumption came from and its apparent negative connotation.
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This stereotyping and often demonising (I'm not necessarily accusing you of this Halifax) of Christians who believe Christ is the only way to God is quite disturbing. What's the basis of it?
oh c'mon...you've never seen people who think that "disbelievers are goin' straight to hell!!" (Usually that phrase is accompanied with a 'yeeha!' at the end.) There are tons of people like that. And I believe you answered your "what's the basis of it" question. these people not only believe that Christ is the only way to God, they condemn all other beliefs and can be extremely narrow-minded. I'm not gonna type anymore because that belongs in FYM....but I don't think Bono can be considered someone who believes in exclusiveness (lol is that a word?). He actually had a time where he questioned his faith much. I also don't think he would belive that a child in Africa who died at the age of 8 because of AIDS is going to hell because he didn't believe in Jesus Christ.
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Not for nothing but why has this thread turned into a discussion about Christian thought, when it's titled "BONO'S VIEWS ON EASTERN RELIGIONS"!!!!!
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Not for nothing but why has this thread turned into a discussion about Christian thought, when it's titled "BONO'S VIEWS ON EASTERN RELIGIONS"!!!!!
Because he might not have any? And anything discussed on the thread would be only mere speculation?
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Re: Re: Re: Bono's views on eastern religions?

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exclusiveness (lol is that a word?).
I believe it is!

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I also don't think he would belive that a child in Africa who died at the age of 8 because of AIDS is going to hell because he didn't believe in Jesus Christ.
Not many others would believe that either.
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Because he might not have any? And anything discussed on the thread would be only mere speculation?

But there is already a thread about Bono's views on Christ. And just because he's not a member of a eastern religion doesn't mean he doesn't have any thoughts/views on it.
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But there is already a thread about Bono's views on Christ. And just because he's not a member of a eastern religion doesn't mean he doesn't have any thoughts/views on it.
Then the logical thing would do is evaluate things he has said about eastern religions...otherwise let the thread die a natural death.
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That would be logical...when I came here I was reading about Christian theology though...
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That would be logical...when I came here I was reading about Christian theology though...
True. But should a disputed assumption regarding Christian theology go undiscussed?
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The original poster wasn't being disrepectful...he was speaking merely of one type of Christian, of which you can't deny there are some that are like that. He never said all Christians were that way.

This discussion you argue for really isn't appropriate to this thread. I'm interested to hear what people have to say in response to the actual topic of this thread.
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And your opinion means what?
The same as yours1!!111 lol!

Dude, Halifax wasn't stereotyping or deominsing Christians. He/She was acknowledging a pre-existing stereotype, which does exist.

It is like me talking about a black guy, and then you turning around and saying 'woah don't imply all humans are black'.
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Because he might not have any? And anything discussed on the thread would be only mere speculation?
On that point you may well be right, I have quite a few books on U2 and have read loads of interviews, have never seen Bono address in detail the issue of Eastern religions apart from the comment on karma vs. grace mentioned above.

As I said, I don't think that Bono has ever "flirted" with any other belief systems and even at the age of 14 or 15 would have been a Christian, though I think his born again experience occured a couple of years later than that. I'm not saying anything disrepectful of Eastern religions (I am agnostic), but I really can't think of any detailed comments from Bono on the issue.
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The same as yours1!!111 lol!
Exactly. Opinions on where other people are going, or not going when they die are relative.

Jews and Muslims think I'm going to hell...
Buddhists think I'm coming back as a lesser lifeform...
Atheists think I'm deluded and will go to my grave deluded...

What do I care?

Bad Templar believes people who reject Christ will be eternally separated from God...who gives a shit?

Out of interest, why did you take such offence at my opinion?
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