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[A_Wanderer]

That argument could have been used against every single state as they were being formed.

[purpleoscar]

YouTube - VP Joe Biden on flotilla incident (Charlie Rose, PBS)

Wow something lucid from Biden for a change.

[anitram]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

There has never a Palestinian State in history.

Fact

This sort of thing is very helpful to the peace process.

[the iron horse]

Originally Posted by A_Wanderer

That argument could have been used against every single state as they were being formed.

Your reasoning is flawed.

The Jewish people existed in that area as a country thousands of years ago.
It is their land.

Can you please explain why neighboring Arab countries will not simply let the
Palestinians come into their countries and live?

The answer is not blowing in the wind, but in the scriptures.

[anitram]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

Your reasoning is flawed.

The Jewish people existed in that area as a country thousands of years ago.
It is their land.

Can you please explain why neighboring Arab countries will not simply let the
Palestinians come into their countries and live?

The answer is not blowing in the wind, but in the scriptures.

Oh here we go with the imaginary mythical beings in the sky and their scriptures as if they're relevant to how we draw borders.

I expect that you will be removing yourself from land that was inhabited thousands of years ago by the American Indians which your people slaughtered and put on reserves.

[the iron horse]

Originally Posted by anitram

Oh here we go with the imaginary mythical beings in the sky and their scriptures as if they're relevant to how we draw borders.

I expect that you will be removing yourself from land that was inhabited thousands of years ago by the American Indians which your people slaughtered and put on reserves.

Your statements add nothing to what is being discussed.

That is not a slam. I would just like to discuss in a logical manner.


Thank you

[A_Wanderer]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

Your reasoning is flawed.

The Jewish people existed in that area as a country thousands of years ago.
It is their land.

Can you please explain why neighboring Arab countries will not simply let the
Palestinians come into their countries and live?

The answer is not blowing in the wind, but in the scriptures.

Even if the scriptures were historically accurate, you would have to admit a time before there was a Jewish state.

The argument "there's never been a blank state before" is rubbish.

[the iron horse]

Originally Posted by A_Wanderer

Even if the scriptures were historically accurate, you would have to admit a time before there was a Jewish state.

The argument "there's never been a blank state before" is rubbish.

This is about the Jewish people.

Your position is based on a hypothetical jig.


So, if a group of people decided to claim a few acres in France as their State, that's OK?

[A_Wanderer]

Israel is the colonising power, it doesn't have any right to Gaza or the West Bank.

[popshopper]

Originally Posted by purpleoscar

Wow something lucid from Biden for a change.

You call that lucid? His Korean analogy, letting Israel carry out the only investigation it to this would be like letting North Korea carry out an investigation in how the South Korean boat sank and given the boat was under Turkish law I'm not exactly sure what the legal justification would be for an Israeli investigation...but oh wait it's Israeli, legality only apply when it suits Israel.

[anitram]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

Your statements add nothing to what is being discussed.

That is not a slam. I would just like to discuss in a logical manner.

I say this with absolute seriousness and then I will no longer discuss this with you in any manner: people, and specifically, Americans, with a view like yours, are one of the more significant reasons why peace will not come to this region.

A two-state solution has been endorsed by essentially everyone except individuals such as yourself, ultra right-wing militant Israeli groups and various Islamist terrorist factions.

Thanks for your efforts, heckuva job.

[popshopper]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

Your reasoning is flawed.

The Jewish people existed in that area as a country thousands of years ago.
It is their land.

Can you please explain why neighboring Arab countries will not simply let the
Palestinians come into their countries and live?

The answer is not blowing in the wind, but in the scriptures.

If the bible is a document of fact then the land isn't Israeli as there were people there before them, by your logic if we find someone descended from the Canaanite's then we'd have to give them the land. How far back to you want to go? It wasn't Israel's land from the start, a war of conquest was won, and while the Jewish religion is hereditary and therefor has a racial component to it, that entire area was a melting point for different 'races' and tribes. Who's to say who the land actually belongs to?, and the land was largely vacated by the Jewish people for hundreds of years until the 1930's.

[the iron horse]

Originally Posted by anitram

I say this with absolute seriousness and then I will no longer discuss this with you in any manner: people, and specifically, Americans, with a view like yours, are one of the more significant reasons why peace will not come to this region.

A two-state solution has been endorsed by essentially everyone except individuals such as yourself, ultra right-wing militant Israeli groups and various Islamist terrorist factions.

Thanks for your efforts, heckuva job.

Thanks,

I don't think there will ever be agreement on this issue.

My rant is that peace would be easy if some countries would simply allow Israel to exist.

It's sad, but that is not going to happen.

Most posts here seem to say that it is Israel who is the bad guy.


Like you, I don't think I will keep replying to this thread.
Another day...


Thanks for the discussion.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

There has never a Palestinian State in history.

Fact

Originally Posted by the iron horse

So, if a group of people decided to claim a few acres in France as their State, that's OK?

Anybody find the irony of an American saying this funny?

[the iron horse]

Originally Posted by BVS

Anybody find the irony of an American saying this funny?

Anybody find it funny that this does not add any fact to this discussion?

[BVS]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

Anybody find it funny that this does not add any fact to this discussion?

But scripture, platitudes, Dylan lyrics, and not understanding history does?

[the iron horse]

Originally Posted by BVS

But scripture, platitudes, Dylan lyrics, and not understanding history does?

Again, what are you saying?

[BVS]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

Again, what are you saying?

I'm saying your posts show a huge lack of understanding the situation.

[financeguy]

Originally Posted by popshopper

You call that lucid? His Korean analogy, letting Israel carry out the only investigation it to this would be like letting North Korea carry out an investigation in how the South Korean boat sank and given the boat was under Turkish law I'm not exactly sure what the legal justification would be for an Israeli investigation...but oh wait it's Israeli, legality only apply when it suits Israel.

Yes, plus Biden has always been strongly, some would say slavishly, pro-Zionist, so I am surprised that anyone would be surprised by what he said.

[popshopper]

Originally Posted by financeguy

Yes, plus Biden has always been strongly, some would say slavishly, pro-Zionist, so I am surprised that anyone would be surprised by what he said.

I'm not surprise at what he said, I'm surprised he would use such a poor analogy. Easier ways to make a case for an Israeli investigation than that.