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Old 07-09-2016, 01:10 PM   #381
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The police are pulling back. The crime and murder rate in Baltimore and Chicago are way up. Most of the victims are black. This I'm afraid will continue being a trend.

The answer? One answer is we have to stop from rushing to inject racism as the factor in every conflict. I think Obama and other leaders have set a dangerous president by fueling this automatic charge of racism.

This is what I meant by 'racism being glorified' We we love to shout racism.
We love to blame it all of those racists bigots. We turn a blind eye to facts that might conflict with this view.

And we do the very thing Dr. King did not want us to continue, we judge by skin, not by the person's character and actions. He meant this to be applied to all people.




Do you think racism played any part in these past two shootings?
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Old 07-09-2016, 01:31 PM   #382
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you ask that question
many people in here say if he had been white he would not have been shot,

and then I post a link to a 19 year old white kid, unarmed laying on the street being shot.
no doubt if he was black, even I would have been led to believe his color was a factor.

and then with these two recent events. I looked into them as much as I can and I do say without much hesitation, that the man shot in his car was 100% wrong, pulled over for a broker tail light? stayed in the car and is shot dead. everything just says this is 100% wrong. an investigation (small) may bring new information to change my opinion. I doubt it.

Now if any reasonable an honest person would take a closer look at the LA incident, without the lazy crap posting on social media, and yes the video is terrible and I hate seeing and hearing a man get shot to death.
I believe an honest investigation and hearing may lead to those officers being found not guilty of any crime.
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Old 07-09-2016, 01:38 PM   #383
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And what exactly are the facts we're turning a blind eye to?

You've been shown time and time again facts that you've chosen to sweep under the rug, so the very least you can do is show us facts that we can choose to see or sweep along with you.



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you seem to only want and give credit to what supports your locked-in views,
this is the practice of people with extreme bias, you know, like racism

please tell me what happened in LA, that resulted in that man being shot to death in the parking lot.
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Old 07-09-2016, 01:43 PM   #384
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If there was a murderer in your house, would you use force to stop him, up to and including deadly force?
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How do I know he's a murderer?

It all depends on the situation. Its not simple.

Does he have a weapon? Knife or gun?

Does he/she see me?

Can I make noise or turn on lights to spook him?

Or is this persons intention solely to murder me?

If my life is on the line, yes I'll do what I can to survive. That may mean taking their life. I may also have the chance to use non lethal force too.


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you seem to only want and give credit to what supports your locked-in views,
this is the practice of people with extreme bias, you know, like racism
Say it ain't so !
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Old 07-09-2016, 04:37 PM   #387
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you seem to only want and give credit to what supports your locked-in views,
this is the practice of people with extreme bias, you know, like racism

Well if you would be so kind as to point out specifically next time I do so ,instead of urging my suicide, it would be greatly appreciated.


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None of this will matter until we get the epidemic of guns off the streets. Until that is solved, the institutional racism that created the mass poverty in the urban black community will continue to devolve into mass slaughter by blacks in blacks and an uneasy, on edge relationship between the community and the police.

https://youtu.be/dDryRG-cQeY

We have a race problem. We have our in government, we have it in policing, we have it in our every day lives. Some of it is blatant and in your face, some of it is subtle and hard to see if you're not looking for it. It's going to take a long time to overcome fully, and I doubt we'll ever fully eradicate it from our country.

But as long as the streets remain flooded with firearms, it'll exacerbate the issues; making them ten times worse.

This is clear as day, but nobody wants to do anything about it.

We can't solve the race issue until we solve the gun issue.
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Old 07-09-2016, 10:19 PM   #389
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I have a question for this thread. Is anyone here a person of color? Shouldn't their voices be heard in a thread about racism? A bunch of white people talking about racism leads nowhere, we have to have the voices of people of color heard.


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Absolutely any Interferencers of color who feel safe enough to post, please do! (maybe you've done so already since this is the first page I'm reading since my last visit)

I also know (I'm white) from listening (mostly radio), and sometimes reading articles- that many black people want white people to talk about racism amongst themselves.
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Old 07-09-2016, 10:32 PM   #390
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Irvine your #241 post and moonlit #242post

well said, thank you.
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And bomac, cori and anitram posts soon after, thanks
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Committing? Or getting arrested and convicted?

White teenagers have a much smaller conviction rate than black teenagers when it comes to marijuana possession. It's not even close, yet the numbers are almost even when it comes to both admitting use.
Possibly relevant..

what the disparity in arrests/convictions between white users of cocaine, and crack.
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Old 07-09-2016, 11:07 PM   #393
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Your country is so deeply, deeply fucked up.
Uh, and the often not very good to probably horrific treatment (yes, I know there have been improvements) you Aussies have given to your 40,000 year old continium of communities of indigenous people?

Yes, your comment is also said in the agony of the situation unfolding ... you folks aren't much better than us in this aspect.
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i'm at a loss right now. how do we make our police better? how do we make us all safer? how do we address structural racism that often ends with a dead black man?
There was very good interview by (I think ) Brian Lerher of WNYC-AM (public radio) - Brain Lerhwr Show either this part Thurs or Fri with an ex-policeman ( maybe commander or a commissioner - sorry I vwas extra tired) of some NW State talking about the better policing issue.

As for structural racism unless a miracle happens, brick by brick, beam by beam.
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When there's a mass shooting, we hear people say "if only they were carrying".

But when an officer shoots a civilian we hear people say "well he shouldn't be carrying".

When a man is shot by an officer we get a full list of his previous record.

When a college student rapes an unconscious woman, we hear about his past accomplishments.

While not the thread specific issue...the overall aspect of violence perpetrated on people, yeah, indeed.

Oh, poor, poor guy... his life is ruined. Colorful metaphors to follow.
And his fathers take on his son crime? scream:
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Obama not wasting a second to continue dividing and creating turmoil rushes to his mic to chime in.
Aaaerrrgggggggggggghh,.......


President Obama is one of the most trying to bring people together Presidents there has been, and constantly looks looks for compromises (which I sometimes fault him for)!

Unless , god/life forbid, he talks in somne of the most mild language possible about racism in America, and especially seeming racism in certain police officers, still paltry training in this area, or the structural racism in America.

Imagine, dear Islanders, if he really got angry!
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hey, moonlit!

I got NO Multi-quote feature on my tablet . ah, well. .
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I agree, but it's praised when you're white. You're a fucking patriot if you're white and protesting a black president.
the Secret Service has been doing quadruple time against death threat against President Obama(and probably his family, too). Most threats against a President in years!
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that #alllivesmatters is called racists shows bias thinking,
bias thinking is akin to racism, homophobia, does each man become the thing he hates?
No, it doesn't .

IF all lives truely mattered equally , then there wouldn't be the need for BLM, and other groups actioning for first class citizenship in the USA.

But there are people who continue to see "the other" as lesser consciously, willfully ignorantly, or as fish swimming in water unconsciously.
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Uh, and the often not very good to probably horrific treatment (yes, I know there have been improvements) you Aussies have given to your 40,000 year old continium of communities of indigenous people?

Yes, your comment is also said in the agony of the situation unfolding ... you folks aren't much better than us in this aspect.
Odd post. Just about all the Australian-based regulars are well aware of the horrors inflicted upon the indigenous people over several centuries, not to mention other ongoing problems in this country.
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