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Are there studies that show that the 38 clinics that 'need' to pass new heathcare standards have put women's health at risk?
__________________SB5 is the type of legislation that creates a vacuum of access that is exploited by the Gosnell's of the world. |
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Keep in mind that one of the defenders of the Texas anti-abortion bill was a woman who had no idea what a rape kit was and thought it had something to do with abortion. I'd rather side with Wendy David than that woman.
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But to say thay anyone who supports a woman's right to choose is in the same league as Gosnell or Karpen is wrong, and being very unfair. Many pro-choice supporters see abortion as a sad, tragic decision, and would like to see it go away altogether - just like pro-lifers do. Problem is, both sides have very different ideas on how to stop abortion, and that is why we're at each others' throats and nothing rational is being done to stop abortion. What happened at Gosnell's "facility" was the result of health services not investigating his place, not investigating why the women died there, not investigating anything. They let it slip under their nose. This was the fault of corrupt state health service, not pro-choice supporters. |
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Some statistics that nathan1977 and his conservative friend omitted: Last comprehensive abortion stats study by the CDC (Abortion Surveillance --- United States, 2007) was done in 2007. Facts: 91.5% of abortions were performed in the first trimester. 1.3% were performed after 21 weeks. Of the 827,609 abortions performed in 2007, six women died from complications related to the procedure. That is a mortality rate of 0.7 women per 100,000 procedures. Compared with: 12.7 per 100,000 c-sections 19.1 per 100,000 plastic surgeries 4 per 100,000 tubal ligations 10 to 60 per 100,000 hysterectomies (done for benign reasons) The requirements of this bill are the legislative equivalent of constructive dismissal. No, they are not shutting down the clinics but the effects will be the same and anyone who is denying this is either wilfully blind or naive. Leaving some women hundreds of miles from the nearest clinic. |
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Do you think Gosnell, Tiller in Kansas and these others are reporting their procedures? In fact the number of abortions performed annually is wildly different depending on which source you use. CDC and the Guttmacher Institute being most common.
I posted links earlier to some hidden camera stuff that shows how some of these clinics skirt the law on late-term abortion. |
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Often easier to "let it slip under their nose" than risk the wrath of the ardent pro-choice movement that defines today's Democratic Party or, if you're a Republican, be subjected to the "War on Women" charge. |
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And another thing least we forget; not to be divisive but the mortality rate is 99.9 for another party present at those 827,609 procedures. Anyway, my main point is how out-of-touch and one-sided coverage of this issue by the national media is. |
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I think most people agree that abortion should be legal, safe and rare. To me the rare part means minimizing unwanted pregnancy through comprehensive sex education and affordable and accessible birth control. To others it means abstinence and creating barriers to legal and safe procedures. There seems to be common ground when it comes to views of late term abortion but the potential for discussion gets lost in politics and regulating and/or criminalizing moves into the murky areas of privacy and safety. Quote:
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This country has gone to hell. When it comes to pregnancy and abortion, pro-lifers need to realize that there are two people involved - the mother and the fetus. Too often, pro-lifers think only of the fetus, and disregard the mother's needs and her life situation. It is laws like these that give more power to the Gosnells and Karpens of America, and all the other back alley abortionists that threaten the woman's life. And I cannot wrap my mind around the idea that a woman shouldn't even fathom abortion when she was raped. The fact that so many people - men and women - are unable to empathize with women is sickening and downright frightening. I currently live in NYC, but I would like to move to a smaller city so my future family would have a front lawn and backyard. With so many states trying to take away a woman's right to choose, and succeeding, that narrows my choices of where to live. I do not want to live in a state where I will not be able to terminate my pregnancy if, God forbid, I am raped or my life is in danger, or even be investigated if I have an actual, natural miscarriage. As a woman, I'm really scared for my future in this country. |
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women always think it's about them. so self-centered! it's as if women think they're more important than a potentially male zygote. |
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IMO it's a woman's personal choice. Something SHE has to decide. It's not like terminating a pregnancy goes without personal issues, as it's not quite easy to decide. But it's up to the woman. What the heck would the government have to do with it? Or any religious group? ![]() God I'm glad I live in a reasonably free country, I'd go insane if I'd have to live in the US. ![]() |
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Yeah I know. I'm a woman, I'm emotional and therefore, cannot be rational for the life of me. And forget about it when it's that time of the month or I'm actually pregnant - then I really am a basket case! Not to mention that my brain is much smaller than a man's.
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Who is going to be paying for these unnecessary procedures (the transvaginal ultrasounds)?
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Life is created and decided by God and all life is sacred. Except for all the extenuating circumstances where 'we' decide there are exceptions (and usually use God to justify them). So there are no absolutes. There is only the denial to women of the autonomy to make a decision that is ultimately a value judgment that her life or standard of life is more important than that of her unborn child. I find it most comparable to the killing of innocents in war which we call collateral damage (not murder) to deny their humanity. But really, there was a decision made about the relative value of those lives. Many pro-choice people deny the same humanity to the unborn rather than acknowledge the real (and uncomfortable) value judgment that is being made. |
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IF life is created by god, so is the woman. And in that line of thinking, shouldn't that god be the one who gave that woman a brain to think and make her own decisions? So in a way, if you let the woman decide, you still let 'god' decide?
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I believe abortion should be the business of the following:
__________________The woman The man involved, if he's available or deserves to have a say (a rapist The woman's doctor And if she believes, her God. Many fail to realize that few women treat abortion like it's no big deal. Many pro-lifers seem to think all women who have had abortions are promiscuous and have had several abortions in their lives. Boy, are they wrong. |
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