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Old 10-04-2012, 12:29 PM   #81
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I can be completely non partisan about it. Romney owned that debate. Good debate or not, he did.

Maybe Obama went into it too confident, and just waiting for Romney to do himself in. The President seemed utterly disinterested. Disappointed in his effort. And not mentioning the 47%, what the hell?

Other than his usual smarmy grin Romney wins completely.
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I forgot to mention is last night, but the minute hose words left his mouth, he lost the vote of mine he never possessed to begin with.
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Old 10-04-2012, 02:06 PM   #83
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Still two and a half more debates to go... plenty of time for Obama to refined his pulse and for Romney to ride in a tank... but last night revived a campaign that was on life support, and turned a potential blow out into a nail biter... at least for now.
This is an important point. It is tempting to draw far-reaching conclusions from one debate, but I think the truth is that few will remember Romney's performance in this one if he does not sustain the momentum or if Obama is perceived as having won the next two. The pressure in many ways is still on Romney, though he does appear to have shifted at least some of it onto Obama.
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For a while, Mittens sounded like me trying to potty train my daughter with all the 1's and 2's.
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Yeah, you have to think Obama rethinks his strategy here. Frankly, I found the debate unwatchable. I hated the way that both candidates came across. Romney was rude and Obama was just there.
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Romney said a lot of nothing

Obama didn't say much at all
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But the point of these debates is to see who can do a better job of convincing the middle... i.e. the majority of Americans... that their ideas and plans foe the country are better than the other guys.

Point, Romney.
For all this talk of the famed middle, it is worth nothing that there are very, very few people who are undecided at this point. So few in fact, that an election won't turn on them, so unless Romney can start picking off some of the decideds who have broken for Obama, it won't get him far.
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Romney said a lot of nothing

Obama didn't say much at all
I think that is a fantastic description.
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For all this talk of the famed middle, it is worth nothing that there are very, very few people who are undecided at this point. So few in fact, that an election won't turn on them, so unless Romney can start picking off some of the decideds who have broken for Obama, it won't get him far.
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I can be completely non partisan about it. Romney owned that debate. Good debate or not, he did.

Maybe Obama went into it too confident, and just waiting for Romney to do himself in. The President seemed utterly disinterested. Disappointed in his effort. And not mentioning the 47%, what the hell?

Other than his usual smarmy grin Romney wins completely.


Thanks, I know you are no fan of his at all.
I have never planned on voting for him in November.

By the very nature of these debates, they are a contest or competition.
It is possible to have a draw. Like him or hate him, Romney clearly had a decisivie win last night.
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I caught the last half of the debate, and thought Romney did rather well. Wish I knew Obama's BBM code so I could have sent him a message to look interested and, you know, show some enthusiasm. He seemed to be looking at his Blackberry quite a bit. Oh, and I would have told him to at least mention Romney's 47% comment at least once.
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For all this talk of the famed middle, it is worth nothing that there are very, very few people who are undecided at this point. So few in fact, that an election won't turn on them, so unless Romney can start picking off some of the decideds who have broken for Obama, it won't get him far.
in these handful of battle ground states, the numbers have moved a lot in the last 30 days, I think there may be a good number of soft decideds that could swing again.

It is an uphill battle, but I am sure over the next week, numbers will trend Romney's way, and with how the votes are counted, and if some votes are counted in a few key states is the most important thing.
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this election is up for grabs? or is it?

"Billionaires & Ballot Bandits: How to Steal an Election in 9 Easy Steps."

Greg Palast on How the GOP Is Planning to Steal the 2012 Election
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Ya that debate was a snoozefest last night. I actually turned it off half way through, couldn't take it anymore, it was just boring. Plus O could have definitely stepped it up. He was playing nice and it didn't work.
Did you guys notice too that the way the camera angles worked, Romney appeared to be looking down on Pres.O? It was pathetic to watch and then O stands there with his head down. Come on man!! Fight back!! I don't think this has any meaning in the long run.. not at all. Chris Matthews on MSNBC was hilarious! Calm down man before you have a heart attack! That was over the top. I also think Obama is in a sticky place where he has to be really careful about fighting back too hard and becoming the proverbial "angry black man". He can't win for losing.
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Thanks, I know you are no fan of his at all.
I have never planned on voting for him in November.

By the very nature of these debates, they are a contest or competition.
It is possible to have a draw. Like him or hate him, Romney clearly had a decisivie win last night.
I still don't understand how you can define a "win" in a debate. Is there a scroecard anywhere?

The only way it's a "win" is if you can prove that he actually picked up votes last night.
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The win in a political debate is the perception of win. No objectivity needed. And I think that public perception has ceded the win to Romney handily.
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The win in a political debate is the perception of win. No objectivity needed. And I think that public perception has ceded the win to Romney handily.
ah....ok. So what was the perceived score?
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Old 10-04-2012, 04:48 PM   #99
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Anyone who would be concerned about Pres Obama being an angry black man is probably not going to vote for him anyway. I know it's reality but it still disgusts me that he has to worry about that at all.

I did appreciate how respectful Romney was of the President. He criticized him plenty, but he did it with class and dignity. I give credit when credit is due.
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He interrupted him mid-sentence like half a dozen times though.
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