I Still Haven't Found on Rattle & Hum, interesting question

[DU2]

There is an interesting question about I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For, I'm talking about the version with the gospel choir in Harlem.
I've been watching it for years and I've always loved Bono's performance there.
Here's the question.

Recently I watched for the first time the Rattle&Hum outtakes, and the thing I found really weird is that in the outtakes the song sounds slightly different from the official DVD, but if you listen closely I'd say you can notice that they're two completely different versions.




Here's the outtakes version, the singing starts around minute 4:00, and you can hear clearly Bono's voice cracking a couple of times.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbCjorVZOKE

Here is the official one, Bono's voice is amazing. Clean and loud. And really strong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8Wt3dhF4fU


So?
At first I thought it was just the bad quality of the outtakes, then I realized that it's really a different version.
Seems like they recorded in studio the song and then put the audio on the original video.

Waiting for your considerations.

 

[The Panther]

I'm not hearing any difference, actually. I think what's happening here is just that the first one you link above (the 'outtakes' clip) has a poor-quality audio track, maybe just recorded directly by the camera or something -- whereas the actual film's audio track is high-grade and professional and probably from a different mic. It's like the difference between an audience-recording bootleg and one from the band's mixing desk.

 

[BVS]

They are two entirely different takes, watch the break downs and the moment when the choir stands up, they're different...

 

[canedge]

It is not impossible that it isn't the actual audio. But wasn't that video both the rehearsal and the live clip from MSG?

If you listen to All Along the Watchtower from bootlegs (now YT) the guitar Edge uses is really trebl-ey without much boost. On the DVD & album the guitar has much more bite.

Even the 'audience' mix on UABRS is presumably a composite. It just sounds to good to be true. Listen how the audience drops out during the NYD verses.

 

[BVS]

Even the 'audience' mix on UABRS is presumably a composite. It just sounds to good to be true. Listen how the audience drops out during the NYD verses.

That has to do more with the mixing, not the fact(of evidence) of it being a "composite".

 

[The Panther]

They are two entirely different takes, watch the break downs and the moment when the choir stands up, they're different...

I must confess I watched only the first part of the 'outtake' and not the whole thing. I'll take your word for it. It's quite likely that the track for the movie was edited and mixed severely, etc. However, the outtake still sounded identical to the movie at the beginning, when Bono begins to sing. Perhaps the movie's track is a composite of several different rehearsals in Harlem. (The track on the album is, of course, a performance at Madison Square Garden.)

 

[canedge]

I knew something had to do with MSG.

 

[canedge]

That has to do more with the mixing, not the fact(of evidence) of it being a "composite".

Really BVS, really? What is a mix anyway when you think about it.

????

 

[BVS]

Really BVS, really? What is a mix anyway when you think about it.

????

when you're talking about the mixing of a live album or concert you're just talking about the adjustment of levels. It just means they can turn up and down the audience feed when needed.

 

[canedge]

Or they could mix down several live tracks onto one mix down track like they do for drums.

 

[BVS]

Or they could mix down several live tracks onto one mix down track like they do for drums.

I've never heard this, where have you heard this and what's the purpose?

 

[canedge]

Track Bouncing

 

[BVS]

That's something completely different than what you're talking about.

 

[canedge]

My point is that one 'final' track of audience on something like UABRS might indeed be a mixture of four or five different audience mic feeds.

 

[canedge]

BVS, when I use the word tracks I mean a guitar take or a vocal take. Not a complete song. So if you get four or five audience feeds (takes) from an audience you can mix them down to one track.

Creating a full drum sound on an album (hit-hat, bass, snare, sticks) uses the same principles and techniques.

 

[BVS]

Ok

 

[Galeongirl]

I really wonder why the OP added "interesting question" to his thread title. Is he trying to create more views that way?

 

[canedge]

It happens a lot on the Internet. Misunderstandings through words, whatever.


Yeah I get it, your terminology is a little off but I get the gist...

I've been recording for years so I know how it works.

 

[DU2]

I really wonder why the OP added "interesting question" to his thread title. Is he trying to create more views that way?

I wrote interesting because i find the question that way, I didn't mean what you said.