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Speaking of overrated songs... (cough)Kite!
Although Edge's performance is sublime, gotta say.
Although Edge's performance is sublime, gotta say.
You not being a Kite lover is reason enough to disregard your opinion on emotion.
And using the fact that EBW was being worked on back during NLOTH to justify the fact that it somehow doesn't fit on SOI and then somehow diminishes the emotion that Bono feels for it is ludicrous. I'm sure there are dozens of songs left over from every batch of work they do. It takes in new direction and life and comes to the fore once it's ready.
It was more than obvious that it was NOT ready to have it on NLOTH. The performances of it were really rough- it was a song with strong verses that died every time it got to a point where a chorus should be.
And just because SOI has songs about their youth doesn't mean it's out of place. The Troubles is maybe the best song on the album, but doesn't fit that mold.
EBW is definitely more open ended and nebulous in its meaning, I would say this goes for many of the bands biggest and most beloved hits. One, WOWY, ISHFWILF for example.
The Troubles absolutely fits the theme of the record. I love EBW and I'm glad it's on the record, but it really doesn't belong there. It's clearly not a song about young lovers. It's not really that open ended - it's about a couple that's been together for a while, or it's about people that have lived a lot and thrown love away but might make a go of it with each other. Neither option has anything to do with youth.
I don't agree about the Troubles. I think that The Troubles talks a lot more about learning about yourself. Accepting that the hardest thing to do is to know yourself and to accept that you might just be full of shit and need to (to pull from EBW) listen more and preach less.
And of course it deals with relationships and domestic violence and how letting someone in can slowly chip away and take away from you if you don't know and be true to yourself.
The Troubles absolutely fits the theme of the record. I love EBW and I'm glad it's on the record, but it really doesn't belong there. It's clearly not a song about young lovers. It's not really that open ended - it's about a couple that's been together for a while, or it's about people that have lived a lot and thrown love away but might make a go of it with each other. Neither option has anything to do with youth.
Consider that the people in this song have also been together since their mid-teens. It fits, retroactively.
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Interesting take on 'Every Breaking Wave', but it seems to be about a man with two lovers. He is contemplating leaving his long term lover for another woman, but in the end decides to stay with his long term lover. It's gut wrenching because he is in love with both of them, and has to let one of them go. The conversation he is having is with the other woman: "Every dog on the street knows we're in love with defeat," is him telling her they are in love with each other out of giving into defeat with their long term relationships (the easy way out), and him asking her, "Are we ready to be swept off our feet and stop chasing every breaking wave?" is him saying are we ready to be swept off our feet with the our long term relationships and finally accept our responsibilities? When I first heard these lines, I thought it was in reference to each other, but it's actually in reference to the other two (the long term lovers of the two having this conversation) IMO.The Troubles absolutely fits the theme of the record. I love EBW and I'm glad it's on the record, but it really doesn't belong there. It's clearly not a song about young lovers. It's not really that open ended - it's about a couple that's been together for a while, or it's about people that have lived a lot and thrown love away but might make a go of it with each other. Neither option has anything to do with youth.
Clearly The Troubles would fit better, thematically, on an album we haven't heard yet and doesn't exist.
Clearly.
I don't think The Troubles is about Bono and Ali at all... I think it's about Bono and his father.
My alternate theory is that Sleep Like A Baby and The Troubles are related and were supposed to be back to back on the album, but they tossed Reach in the middle once they decided it wouldn't open the album in order to make it less obvious.
When you take those two songs back to back, it opens up a whooooooole new can of worms.
How could you remove 'Reach'?? With its hypnotic groove and soul, it goes ever so perfectly after 'Crystal Ballroom' as the 3rd track!This is SO true. I added Crystal Ballroom as my second track and removed Reach all together. The back to back SLABT and Troubles is absolutely perfect.
How could you remove 'Reach'?? With its hypnotic groove and soul, it goes ever so perfectly after 'Crystal Ballroom' as the 3rd track!
Fair enough.Saves me from hitting the skip button.
Speaking of overrated songs... (cough)Kite!.
My alternate theory is that Sleep Like A Baby and The Troubles are related .
I don't think so. Unless The Troubles is about a survivor of abuse conquering the pain...which would be pretty interesting. But I think that's a leap of logic.
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Is the old guy supposed to be "Kite?" If so, LOVE IT
You're the old guy. ?.
Seriously though, how do you not like Kite?!?!!! That's one of their best songs ever imo.
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I love Kite, especially the live version. That's all.