A_Wanderer
ONE love, blood, life
There is a distinction between a human life and a potential human life.
80sU2isBest said:
Martha, if you were joined at the hip with a Siamese twin, would you ahve the right to kill your twin? If you say no, I ask "Why not? It's your body."
A_Wanderer said:There is a distinction between a human life and a potential human life.
A_Wanderer said:There is a distinction between a human life and a potential human life.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
No it's your twins, you just share some bits.
80sU2isBest said:
Hmmm...so potential human lives suck their thumbs? How does that work?
80sU2isBest said:
A fetus is a dictinct and separate human being that shares a womb with you.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Now you're making a distinction between trimesters.
We can all agree that a fetus brought out of the womb at a month won't be able to survive on it's own(is it really a human life), and a fetus at 7 months has a chance.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Yes, so it's apples and oranges.
Infinitum98 said:
Even though it can't survive on it's own it can still feel horrendous pain, there have been abortion videos in which you can see the baby struggling to live while it goes through an abortion.
How about people who must live with an artificial heart, or have to live plugged to machines in hospitals. These people can't live on their own, so it is okay to kill them?
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Now you're making a distinction between trimesters.
We can all agree that a fetus brought out of the womb at a month won't be able to survive on it's own(is it really a human life), and a fetus at 7 months has a chance.
Infinitum98 said:
Even though it can't survive on it's own it can still feel horrendous pain, there have been abortion videos in which you can see the baby struggling to live while it goes through an abortion.
How about people who must live with an artificial heart, or have to live plugged to machines in hospitals. These people can't live on their own, so it is okay to kill them?
80sU2isBest said:
Exactly. Even babies that are out of the womb can't survive on their own. They need someone to feed them, to give them shelter. The "can't survive on their own" argument doesn't hold water, in my opinion.
No I'm saying it's not human yet.80sU2isBest said:
So it's okay to kill a human being as long as it can't survive on it's own? Is that the criteria?
Yes I have.80sU2isBest said:
Have you ever looked at an in-depth fetal development chart? If not, give it a go. You might be surprised at the things fetuses do at very very early stages of development.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
No one knows that a fetus of a month feels anything!!!
If I need a machine to live then don't bother let me die. But really these examples are moot.
A_Wanderer said:There is a distinction between a human life and a potential human life.
Infinitum98 said:
Yes it does feel. In the abortion video, you can see it trying to get out of the way of the instruments. There are also pictures in which fetuses that are less then a month old suck their thumbs. Now I don't know the exact age at which a fetus can feel. But I think it is around 2 weeks of age.
And if you don't want to live with a machine, fine for you. But you can't choose whether other people on machines want to live or die.
Infinitum98 said:
There are also pictures in which fetuses that are less then a month old suck their thumbs.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
No I'm saying it's not human yet.
BonoVoxSupastar said:For the record, I personally don't believe in abortion but realize it needs to be legal ...
I was answering a complex statement with an easy answer.80sU2isBest said:
Then why, when I said "A fetus is a distinct and separate human being that shares a womb with you", did you say "yes"?
Because it's a potential life. I believe in bringing children into this life if they will have a home.80sU2isBest said:
Maybe you'll be able to answer this question, that last time I asked it, only one person even attempted to answer:
Why do you "personally not believe in abortion" if it's not a human life being murdered?
And if it is a human life being murdered, why do you think it should be legal?
Scarletwine said:
The other thing is make birth control covered by prescription insurance and drop viagra.
martha said:
You know what I find offensive? That somehow you're the one who decides what happens to me when I'm pregnant. That's offensive.
martha said:
This is you deciding what happens to my body.
martha said:
Sorry boys, but it's my body.
Scarletwine said:
He was a baby, an embryo is a parasite who's survival depends on its host.
Scarletwine said:
IMO prolifers care about the fetus but often feel disdain for the child. Ask any protestor at Planned Parenthood how many unwanted kids they adopted and your met with a blank stare.