najeena
War Child
Now we're learning the price of forcibly pushing people who aren't ready for change directly into it.
nbcrusader said:Iraq Muslim Cleric Condemns Mutilation
The killings were not condemned, just the mutilations. At least they have some boundries.....
melon said:Of course, this is a terrible turn of events.
What interests me, from an academic POV, is issues of who is "worthy to live" and who is "worthy to die." Four dead American civilians is bad news, and rightfully so. But imagine thousands of dead Iraqi civilians, whether intentionally or not. They're dead, and, at least from the American POV, their lives are just numbers. We have to remember, though, that this is flipped from their POV; dead Americans = numbers. Dead Iraqis = sadness.
I see a people so ravaged by conflict, whether it be at the hands of Saddam, at the manipulation by Islamic clerics, or by Americans. Barbarism is the tool of the desperate.
I also do not think that there will ever be a positive end to this conflict. Iraq, if they ever even make it to a democratic election, will likely elect Shi'ite clerics, who will do away completely with democracy. Welcome to a mirror of Iran.
Melon
STING2 said:Iran today is not the Iran of 1979. Iraq will not turn into what Iran is today or was in the past. The Shia of Iraq are not clones of the Shia in Iran.
melon said:
You're right. Iran today is more conservative, in terms of leadership, and whatever the public thinks is irrelevant. In spite of the moves by the reformists, in one fell swoop, they're gone.
Melon
STING2 said:I think its a huge mistake to be judging whether Iraq or any country is ready for democracy based simply on these murders. It totally ignores the accomplishments of millions of Iraqi's with the help of the United States and their coalition partners over the past year.
verte76 said:
That's right. Unfortunately, the reformists in Iran are fd. It's too bad the damn Iranian government can get away with this. Iranians in the U.S. are furious. It's not good.
wolfeden said:
and will I have my friend by my side to talk about it, sitting on the porch drinking lemonade and bemoaning getting old? Or will I be sitting alone with his face forever 28 years old held in my mind and heart with sorrow?
MrsSpringsteen said:
I hope and pray that you will have him by your side. I can't imagine how difficult all of this is for you. I'm sure that's all it is-that he is unable to have access for communication.
wolfeden said:There has been a bit of good news, though the source could not reveal themselves for security reasons we have heard that Yau is alive and whole, just unable to get word out to anyone for awhile.
Thank you to everyone for your prayers and wellwishes, it means a lot!