Pornography

[Liesje]

I hope that made you feel very well, probably then it was worth it. It seems you have never heard of spyware and adware. I would be more suspicious of a computer that DOESNT have any porn on it those days than of a computer that does, and not being hidden somewhere. Maybe your prof wasnt exactly what youd call a computer savvy.

Reporting people who have XXteensex shit on their favourites list is about as naive as assuming that liberals are terrorists. Thanks and goodnight.

I'm really not sure how I'm supposed to be reading this post, but I'm getting a real negative vibe...I work full time and I'm good at my job OK? I fucking know the difference between spyware and some jerk off who's using school network space for storing all his favorite porno flicks. I really REALLY do NOT appreciate those comments. If anyone's naive, it's him for thinking no one would notice or care and you for judging my competence based on one post.

 

[BVS]

What he's saying is spyware can automatically place these things listed into your "favorites". You don't have to be looking at porn to have these "favorites" placed on your computer. So unless you actually catch him in the act or you find movies or pictures downloaded then maybe you shouldn't jump to conclusions.

Many have found these links in their "favorites" without their knowledge. Anyone who downloads music, uses crap like weatherbug, or just surfs onto the wrong site is susceptible to spyware placing these items into their favorites. So you may have turned someone in who was completely innocent.

 

[pub crawler]

Anyone who... uses crap like weatherbug

fuckin' weatherbug.

 

[indra]

I'm really not sure how I'm supposed to be reading this post, but I'm getting a real negative vibe...I work full time and I'm good at my job OK? I fucking know the difference between spyware and some jerk off who's using school network space for storing all his favorite porno flicks. I really REALLY do NOT appreciate those comments. If anyone's naive, it's him for thinking no one would notice or care and you for judging my competence based on one post.

I think there is a bit of the let he/she who is without sin cast the first stone thing working here, Miss LivLuvAndIllegallyReproduceAnd/OrDistributeMusic.

This juxtaposition is priceless. Made me laugh!

 

[Angela Harlem]

I cant resist throwing 2 bob in here. I'd say hiphop had a great point as this once happened to me. My msn list was wiped and a whole bunch of sex sites replaced my normal and definitely non porn addresses with a whole bunch of smut. I cant remember what exactly happened to cause it but it was most likely a search my hisband had done on this comp for a PS2 cheat. Those sites have embedded shit all over them.

BUT - if this prof had been looking for say crackz or warez and had inadvertantly had these links added on to his favourites, wouldn't typical human nature have caused him to exclaim vehemently at/to/in LivLuv's presence at such a thing? I reckon that's a given, so that seems to indicate it was there intentionally.

 

[MrsSpringsteen]

I have opinions about it that I'll just keep to myself..most of them have already been expressed here anyway.

But one thing I'll say is I do think it definitely creates unrealistic expectations about women. Are there ANY women in porn who are the female equivalents of Ron Jeremy?

 

[Klaus]

Well almost every hollywoodmovie creates unrealistic expectations or does anyone think that "e-mail for you" was a realistic movie (to pick randomly one)

ps Who is Ron Jeremy?

 

[Liesje]

What he's saying is spyware can automatically place these things listed into your "favorites". You don't have to be looking at porn to have these "favorites" placed on your computer. So unless you actually catch him in the act or you find movies or pictures downloaded then maybe you shouldn't jump to conclusions.

Many have found these links in their "favorites" without their knowledge. Anyone who downloads music, uses crap like weatherbug, or just surfs onto the wrong site is susceptible to spyware placing these items into their favorites. So you may have turned someone in who was completely innocent.

No, he was NOT innocent. Like I said my entire life is repairing computers and I deal with spyware issues like 4 long hrs of every day. I'm not stupid. You don't need to explain my job to me again. The guy had pictures and movies saved to his network drives. Still think he's only guilty of a spyware infestation? He knows a thing or two about computers, trust me. Explains why he had covered every inch of his office windows w/ random paper and posters.... I went to my highest boss that still knows who I am and said "IF the students are not allowed to use school owned property/network space for pornography and other violations of your AUP, THEN shouldn't the SAME STANDARDS hold true for our Professors?" She said "Yes, but we don't even have a policy in place on how to deal with this." and I thought "lady, that's quite naive and unfair to assume that ONLY the students have issues w/ porn."

The spyware/adaware you're speaking of happens a lot too, even to me, but we all know the difference. And human nature is not to immediately strike out, but to freeze like a deer in the headlights, which is exactly how he reacted.

And indra, FYI I've never bootleged anything. Don't have the equipment and don't know how.

But I guess since everyone here seems to agree that I don't know how to do my job, I'll leave now.

 

[Angela Harlem]

He's some guy with a massive schlong who's slept with about 5000 women in porn movies throughout his 'career'. He's somehow become a bit of a celebrity.

Lord knows how, or why really.

 

[Angela Harlem]

LivLuv, dont go. I have faith in you, for what that's worth!

Everyone is getting rather impassioned (is it appropriate to say that in this thread?) in this topic, but I'm sure it isn't personal. Well at least I hope it isnt.

 

[pax]

Agreed. Let's not start mudslinging here. LivLuv was trying to do a job which she is paid to do, and she has a responsibility to live up to the policies and standards set forth by her position.

Let's stick to the issues, kay?

 

[BVS]

The guy had pictures and movies saved to his network drives. Still think he's only guilty of a spyware infestation? He knows a thing or two about computers, trust me. Explains why he had covered every inch of his office windows w/ random paper and posters....

No one's telling you how to do your job. You said you reported someone due to what you saw in his favorites. You said you weren't snooping. So maybe you didn't explain yourself. But a person's reaction doesn't prove guilt nor does the desire for privacy (if that was the case all my proffesors were guility for they all covered their windows).

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

I have opinions about it that I'll just keep to myself..most of them have already been expressed here anyway.

But one thing I'll say is I do think it definitely creates unrealistic expectations about women. Are there ANY women in porn who are the female equivalents of Ron Jeremy?

if you mean ugly, fat and hairy women with large schlongers... yes... there are.

and no... i don't look at them

anyone who's been stuck in a porn loop after stupidly/mistakenly hitting a link/ad that they shouldn't have could tell ya that... there's porn for people who like ugly people, porn for people who like fat people, porn for people who like pregnant people, porn for people who like old people :, porn for people who like donkeys...

what gets your rocks off, there's a type of porn on the internet for you, if you want it.

and as long as the people/goats in the film are of legal age (what exacly is legal porn age for a goat? ) and are consenting... hey... i'm not into mature chicks with dicks, but if that's what gets ya on... hey whatever floats your boat man. who am i to judge somebody on what gets them sexually stimulated.

if we're not supposed to judge someone who's sexually attracted to a person of the same sex, then why should we judge someone who's sexually attracted to tall women with large hairy feet to each his/her own

 

[Liesje]

No one's telling you how to do your job. You said you reported someone due to what you saw in his favorites. You said you weren't snooping. So maybe you didn't explain yourself. But a person's reaction doesn't prove guilt nor does the desire for privacy (if that was the case all my proffesors were guility for they all covered their windows).

Gah! I've seen enough Law and Order to know guilt/innocence works. I told you EXACTLY what I said to my boss and she told me EXACTLY what she found on his hard drive and network space and unless you have an explainantion for how pornogrpahic images and videos got there via spyware, the man's guilty as guilty can be and was disciplined accordingly by whatever part of the college deal w/ bastards like him. Do I need to tell the entire story again in EXACT detail for anyone to believe me? I didn't think I needed to explain myself. I thought this was a thread about porn, not whether or not I know what I'm talking about.

I'm getting rather "impassioned" b/c I feel as if I'm being attacked and even if no one meant it this way, this is EXACTLY what I deal with EVERYDAY b/c I'm a young woman doing a "man's" job.

 

[Angela Harlem]

I reckon it is normal to expect a person to be at least surprised to see a whole bunch of porn links on their computer if they didnt put them there, regardless of whether porn is actually a common practice? Besides which, that is not the issue. It seems like LivLuv was perfectly within reason to report it as I am sure all universities have policies on having such things on their computers.

 

[Angela Harlem]

I didnt actually mean you as one of the impassioned folk liv luv. take a deep breath.

please lets move on guys.

 

[Elvis]

Ultimately, it's not the porn, the cigarettes, the alcohol, or the people that make it that are to blame for our problems...

Blame the lack of education, the lack of parental or family guidance, the lack of love, the lack of basic communication skills, the lack of self-esteem, etc.

You can argue both sides of pro porn vs con porn all day long... and both sides will have valid points. The lack of self responsibility in today's world is sickening.

Has anyone heard of self control? free will?

If people want to live in a fantasy world, they'll do so no matter what. Humans may have the ability to be logical, rational creatures... but they willingly rarely take advantage of said ability.

It's always easier to BLAME something, or someone else, than to take responsiblity isn't it?

If you dont like porn, dont watch it.
If you dont like to smoke, dont smoke.
If you dont like to read, dont read.
If you dont want skin cancer, dont go in the sun.
If you dont want to be a drunk, dont drink.
If you dont like spedning so much time on the 'net, then dont spend so much time on the 'net.
If you dont like spyware, then dont install stuff without reading the documentation.

 

[Tomer]

what elvis said

 

[nbcrusader]

If you dont like porn, dont watch it.
If you dont like to smoke, dont smoke.
If you dont like to read, dont read.
If you dont want skin cancer, dont go in the sun.
If you dont want to be a drunk, dont drink.
If you dont like spedning so much time on the 'net, then dont spend so much time on the 'net.
If you dont like spyware, then dont install stuff without reading the documentation.

This would be a great philosophy if our actions never affected another person.

The non-drinking family of an alcoholic gets little here.

 

[Klaus]

You can argue both sides of pro porn vs con porn all day long... and both sides will have valid points. The lack of self responsibility in today's world is sickening.

Yes and that's why we need laws - if everyone in the world would behave responsible - wow, paradise on earth

Sadly there are many things which just won't work out if everyone can do what he wants to do. This is not related to porn but a general statement

 

[Elvis]

This would be a great philosophy if our actions never affected another person.

The non-drinking family of an alcoholic gets little here.

If you don't like something/someone, change it or get away from it.

The world isnt a perfect place, and it never will be. That said.. we all still have free will.

If someone is to young or physically unable to get away or change a situation that's another matter entirely.

 

[Elvis]

Yes and that's why we need laws - if everyone in the world would behave responsible - wow, paradise on earth

Sadly there are many things which just won't work out if everyone can do what he wants to do. This is not related to porn but a general statement

I never suggested 'do what you want'. If you read the quoted statement in the context of my post you will see that I simply, and logically, state that if you dont like something.. don't do it.

 

[nbcrusader]

But certain behaviors have externalities that the individual is not willing to be responsible for.

Pure free will, without society imposing levels of responsibility, is anarchy.

 

[Klaus]

Elvis
I know you didn't suggest it - i had just that vison - what a wonderful world this could be if everyone would behave in a way that "do what you want" would be no problem for society

 

[Elvis]

But certain behaviors have externalities that the individual is not willing to be responsible for.

Pure free will, without society imposing levels of responsibility, is anarchy.

NB, I was suggesting that people need to be responsible for their own choices... not suggesting how to help someone who is unwilling to assume resonsibility for themselves.

Again, I was not suggesting that people should go out and do whatever they want. I was stating that people are able to choose NOT to do something.

Let's stay on topic, shall we?

There is a difference between external victimization and self victimization.

 

[V Nura]

NB, I was suggesting that people need to be responsible for their own choices... not suggesting how to help someone who is unwilling to assume resonsibility for themselves.

Again, I was not suggesting that people should go out and do whatever they want. I was stating that people are able to choose NOT to do something.

Let's stay on topic, shall we?

There is a difference between external victimization and self victimization.

I agree with elvis wholeheartedly on this


I'd say more but would just be a different wording of the above post.

Sometimes you can't fight something you can only not choose to make it part of your life.

 

[nbcrusader]

NB, I was suggesting that people need to be responsible for their own choices... not suggesting how to help someone who is unwilling to assume resonsibility for themselves.

Again, I was not suggesting that people should go out and do whatever they want. I was stating that people are able to choose NOT to do something.

Let's stay on topic, shall we?

There is a difference between external victimization and self victimization.

I guess my point is that with the topic of Pornography: good or bad, the fact that the individual can choose to use or not use pornography doesn't fully answer the question. I say it is bad because it has consequences for the non-viewer.

 

[Elvis]

I say it is bad because it has consequences for the non-viewer.

What if it has good consequences for the non-viewer?

I know plenty of real life situations where this is the case.

 

[nbcrusader]

Then, it would be a balancing case. For all things labeled "bad" there may be situations where it is "good".

 

[ThatGuy]

That sounds an awful lot like moral relativism.