Milan I Setlist Watch And Party, Part II

[MTEdge]

LAPOE calls for both sides to disarm. "All you Abraham's sons": Jews, Muslims, and Christians alike.

Spot on.

 

[zwervers2]

oh look what just happened..nobody is around anymore..

 

[Niceman]

Fair enough, but you haven't explained what he is singing about when they perform RTSS. The theme you spoke of is taken care of in the War trilogy.

I see Running to Stand Still as a part of the war section.

When they replaced it with Miss Sarajevo, which is implicitly about war, this became even clearer - if it was unclear to begin with.

Keep in mind, you don't have to agree with Bono - that doesn't matter. We're just talking about what he is likely saying...

 

[Axver]

oh look what just happened..nobody is around anymore..

Do I need to stir up more shit by saying controversial things?

 

[Niceman]

LAPOE calls for both sides to disarm. "All you Abraham's sons": Jews, Muslims, and Christians alike.

I hadn't looked at that line that way before, but yeah, I think you're right.

Even though only Jews would literally be "sons of Abraham", Bono would mean it that way.

 

[zwervers2]

Do I need to stir up more shit by saying controversial things?

can't we talk about the pooltable instead of unimportant issues like war

 

[U2Man]

Do you think uwwedoogie got banned? Wasn't it odd, how he just suddenly disappeared? (One can always hope )

 

[zwervers2]

I hadn't looked at that line that way before, but yeah, I think you're right.

Even though only Jews would literally be "sons of Abraham", Bono would mean it that way.

wrong

 

[ruffian]

wow, i'm really late to this thread...is a final setlist posted somewhere in this thread? (sorry, hate to detract from the football/war discussion )

 

[neutral]

What do you think it's about, neutral? Do you agree with my interpretation?

Pretty much, yeah, and the futility of fighting to stop fighting. I guess I see it as part of the war trilogy section.

That is what happened after each of the last two major American conflicts: Vietnam and Iraq I.

True, good point. Argh I don't know.

 

[Niceman]

wrong

OK, what did I say that was wrong?

 

[U2Man]

wrong

Yep that's wrong. Abraham is a common ancestor.

 

[zwervers2]

OK, what did I say that was wrong?

all three religions have the same principle with abraham the father

 

[Niceman]

Yep that's wrong. Abraham is a common ancestor.

Only if you believe that everyone on earth is decended from a Jew a couple of thousand years ago.....

 

[Axver]

I hadn't looked at that line that way before, but yeah, I think you're right.

Even though only Jews would literally be "sons of Abraham", Bono would mean it that way.

All of them are Abraham's sons.

Abraham --> Ishmael --> Arabs/Muslims

Abraham --> Isaac --> Jews --> then onto Christians

 

[U2Man]

Only if you believe that everyone on earth is decended from a Jew a couple of thousand years ago.....

True. But all religion is a question of believing. So is Bono's, and his lyrics.

 

[Axver]

Only if you believe that everyone on earth is decended from a Jew a couple of thousand years ago.....

Not everyone on earth, just the tribes of Israel (via Isaac) and the Arabs (via Ishmael).

 

[zwervers2]

Only if you believe that everyone on earth is decended from a Jew a couple of thousand years ago.....

well the ones who are fighting eachother acknowledge it not me

 

[U2Man]

well the ones who are fighting eachother acknowledge it not me

Good point, zwervers2!!!

 

[MTEdge]

Not everyone on earth, just the tribes of Israel (via Isaac) and the Arabs (via Ishmael).

Axver, just technically speaking not all Arabs are Muslims. Arabs include Jews, Muslims, and Christians (who I believe are the majority).

 

[U2Man]

This is getting complicated....

 

[ruffian]

um, nevermind i found it...but thanks!

 

[MTEdge]

Sorry Ruffian! I've been caught up in the War discussion, but I really need to get back to work! Ciao everyone!

 

[zwervers2]

Sorry Ruffian! I've been caught up in the War discussion, but I really need to get back to work! Ciao everyone!

ciao

 

[Niceman]

well the ones who are fighting eachother acknowledge it not me

Most Americans aren't literally "Sons of Abraham." or "Children of Zion." and Americans are doing a lot of the fighting...

 

[U2Man]

Most Americans aren't literally "Sons of Abraham." or "Children of Zion." and Americans are doing a lot of the fighting...

This is the point where it gets political

 

[LJT]

Axver, just technically speaking not all Arabs are Muslims. Arabs include Jews, Muslims, and Christians (who I believe are the majority).

yeh Arab is more a racial grouping like Caucasian..i think the proper term for Arabs would be Semitic peoples...not just Jews are Semites..even though its most commonly used for them.

 

[zwervers2]

Most Americans aren't literally "Sons of Abraham." or "Children of Zion." and Americans are doing a lot of the fighting...

you know what I meant..stop it

 

[LJT]

Most Americans aren't literally "Sons of Abraham." or "Children of Zion." and Americans are doing a lot of the fighting...

we can all be Sons of Abraham in the religious sense if your Christian...its not meant to be literally more ideologically.

 

[Axver]

Axver, just technically speaking not all Arabs are Muslims. Arabs include Jews, Muslims, and Christians (who I believe are the majority).

That's why I wrote in one of my above posts, Arab/Muslim. The conflict over Israel does have something to do with the Jews being said to occupy Arab (not Muslim) land, though.

All I was saying is that the Arabs are considered to be the sons of Abraham via Ishmael, and that Islam started and is centred in the Arab world.