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One has to wonder how the absence of a significant amount of the National Guard (away fighting in Iraq) both personnel and vehicles/equipment affected the state and local response.
phanan said:
I usually agree with you on several subjects, but on this, you disappoint me tremendously. That's all I have to say about that.
ShellBeThere said:What a monumental (so many have said this devastation is of biblical proportions, and for a man who allegedly sees himself in such terms, it's sort of scary to see his response today) opportunity he missed to say something healing and inspiring...does anyone think he shed a tear about all this?
Dreadsox said:
Have fun politicizing this whole thing....I will be back when there are other assumptions that are being used incorrectly to fit your adjenda.
Dreadsox said:I never said I was happy with it. But I think the politicization in this thread is beyond people being happy or unhappy.
Seriously, I just spent my week organizing some relief from my Lion's Club, My church, and my school......I do not have patience for this.
BorderGirl said:In the case of a forecasted Category 5 Hurricane Warning days in advance the "state" definitely bears responsibilty to have a plan.
It issued a mandatory evacuation.
Citizens who could get out on their own means did. That's good cause it's less for the state to have to do.
Those who could not because of econoimcs should have been evacuated to safety before the storm hit.
Dreadsox said:
Why, because I have been organizing relief to be delievered...
Or because I just fail to jump on the bandwagon.
Save your disappointment. It has been a long week of worrying and praying here.
Dreadsox said:Just watched the press conference......
phanan said:
If the federal government had constructed levees that can withstand these types of storms, then the magnitude of this catastrophe would not be as severe. So yes, I blame the federal government for that, Democrats and Republicans alike.
phanan said:
Because, while I understand your frustration at certain comments, to declare to everyone in this thread that the politicization of this disaster is for taking advantage of certain views is outrageous. I'm sorry if you think our government is handling this well. Most of us disagree, and we certainly have a right to disagree. If you don't like it, don't say anything and ignore the thread.
Gingrich criticism
Even Republicans were criticizing Bush and his administration for the sluggish relief effort. “I think it puts into question all of the Homeland Security and Northern Command planning for the last four years, because if we can’t respond faster than this to an event we saw coming across the Gulf for days, then why do we think we’re prepared to respond to a nuclear or biological attack?” said former House Speaker Newt Gingrich.
He urged Bush to name former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani as the White House point person for relief efforts. “We need to get the job done now, and I don’t think anybody is better prepared to do that psychologically and otherwise than Rudy Giuliani,” Gingrich told The Associated Press.
randhail said:Yes, if the levies had been higher then it would have probably reduced the damage but if the natural hurricane barriers, marshlands and alike, had not been bulldozed the damage would not have been as severe either. So you can extend the blame beyond the government to developers.
sharky said:
It was WRONG for Condi Rice to be shopping in NYC instead of taking calls from international leaders who wanted to help. It was WRONG for Scott McClellan to say people shouldn't be stealing food and water because sooner or later, the government would show up with supplies. And it is WRONG that in the midst of all this, the vice president is on VACATION.
sharky said:
I know this is hard, Melon, but in a time like this we should think rational. Oil companies donating money.
Irvine511 said:
yes, i'm so happy Trent Lott will be okay.
out.
to.
lunch.
again.
in August ...
LarryMullen's_POPAngel said:
I think it's time for a fucking revolution.
Irvine511 said:from my girlfriend, Wonkette:
The President's Response to Insurgent Katrina
Fox News and others are reporting that the President just got "his own bird's eye view" of Katrina's damage as Air Force One flew over the devestated region. Shortly after, Bush gave prepared remarks to the press pool:
We are making progress in New Orleans. The flood is in its last throes. Clearly, the hurricane has a hateful ideology and does not like our freedom or our dryness. We cannot surrender to it. In New Orleans, they are working on a draft evacuation; it is an evacuation process, and we must expect that if we are to bring American-style democracy to the Mississippi Delta.
The president added that "to pull out now would only give aid to the elements."
"I think it puts into question all of the Homeland Security and Northern Command planning for the last four years, because if we can't respond faster than this to an event we saw coming across the Gulf for days, then why do we think we're prepared to respond to a nuclear or biological attack?" said former House Speaker Newt Gingrich
Headache in a Suitcase said:But what the fuck?!?! WHat the fuck have you been doing for 4 god damn years?!?!
Bush has got to take the blame first, 'cause he's in charge. But I'm talking to Hillary, Schumer, Rice, Rumsfeld, Kennedy, Ridge, Chertoff... everyone who's been a so called leader in preparing us for a future attack... here ya go! Here's a practice run for ya, courtesy of mother nature... and you all failed miserably.
So what the fucking hell have you been doing in the past 4 years that it takes a week to get shit done?
Ponderous...
Fuck Bush, Fuck Clinton, Fuck Schumer, Fuck Rice, Fuck Ridge, Fuck Chertoff... Fuck 'em all.
pax said:Dreadsox, you know I have a lot of respect for the charitable work you do, but to say that people shouldn't be criticizing the government at a time like this--when our leaders have been collectively out to lunch, when resources are either being poorly deployed or not at all, when National Guard troops are spread thin or unavailable, and when the poorest of the poor are bearing the brunt of this disaster--well, that, in my opinion, is irresponsible.
We cannot just swallow this. We cannot say it was all right for Condi Rice to be out shopping, we cannot say it was all right for Dick Cheney to continue his vacation, we cannot say it was all right for Scott McClellan to criticize people who could not leave the city. It is not all right. It is beyond inexcusable.
If you were on a business trip or something, and one of your children got sick, or your wife had an accident, you'd come home on the next plane, right? You wouldn't dawdle in the local Brooks Brothers or decide to hang out on the beach for a few more hours. Why do we not expect the same behavior of our leaders?