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Illegal Aliens USA
What do you think?
What do you think?
melon said:Let's start prosecuting and heavily fining those who employ illegal immigrants. I think it would be fun to watch some CEOs cry.
Melon
Angela Harlem said:but just to clarify, i have no opinion on illegal immigrants in the us. only americans care.
nbcrusader said:Those laws are in place as well, thought their enforcement is not consistent either. I've had to show a passport for every job I've taken.
Do statistics show that large corporations are the biggest employers of illegals?
nbcrusader said:
Care for what?
Immigration policy?
World economics?
Fair trade?
Angela Harlem said:
you might have missed the title of this thread. i cant help but wonder why it was written for americans...as if you guys are the only ones with this issue?... if the author intended this to be about the specifics of say, mexicans and the US, fine. but he didn't state so. therefore. it just comes across as arrogance and tunnel vision.
Angela Harlem said:Ah sheesus, nbc. It's not his being American which makes him look arrogant. It's directing this topic toward the American audience only. It's blase forgetting the rest of the world. Or is it? I cant tell. The thread starts with one sentence and is titled to single out the US only. If it's (like I said) for the US to discuss those who border you anmd specifically look at their illegal entering of your country, then fine. However, after a bloody poor start (of one vague sentence - which appears to be agenda driven - regardless of how you might see it), this is looking very much to be either an opportunity to stir shit by revving everyone up and getting their backs up over (I assume) S. American immigrants (Do Canadas frequently sneak over your borders?) or an ego-centric situation where again only the US seems to matter or is relevant. Etc, etc, etc.
LivLuvAndBootlegMusic said:My dad recently explained his personal experience to me, because I was ranting about how I'm more pissed that emplpyers get away with employing illegals (and basically exploiting them) than the fact that they are here. My dad is a sales rep for a huge lumber and veneer company. They have plants all over the US and Canada. At some of the US plants, most of the plant workers are Mexican, and most are illegal. The problem is that when the plant hires workers, if the worker is able to produce one of three documents (can't remember exactly what), then the employer legally cannot challenge whether or not the person is illegal. So many of the illegals purchase Social Security Numbers and use them to get jobs. Of course the plants know they are illegal, but THEY could be prosecuted if they refuse to hire someone because they are suspicious of whether their SSN is legit.
I realize that many companies love to hire illegals and exploit them, but I guess I never realized that even for companies that prefer not to, it's difficult because they are not allowed to challenge the validity of someone's documents even if they suspect they are fake, stolen, or were sold.
bonoman said:
I would bet my life that those Canadian plants dont have any or next to no illegals working in them. Because they must verify that they are legal and we dont have a border thats unwatched (and its not with Mexico) I would suggest the USA us a two pronged attack at the problem, make sure employers arent abusing the system and protect your southern border.
Angela Harlem said:It's directing this topic toward the American audience only.
ABEL said:i don't think the thread title is directing the issue towards the american audience only but it's the main topic in the US now due to bush's immigration reform.
Irvine511 said:um, well, speaking of "American," on my way home from work last night, i noticed the metro was more crowded than usual due to the crowds from the protest on the Mall yesterday.
it was unexpectedly moving. small children waving signs that said, "We Are Americans," to teenagers waving flags to construction workers in 1992 Edge-style red-white-and-blue bandanas, to mothers with strollers adorned in flags, etc. the mood was happy, upbeat, smiling, respectful, and i couldn't help but feel tremendous sympathy for these people who do work very hard, for much less money than i would imagine your average interference-posting U2 fan would ever work.
"breaking the law" seems rather besides-the-point to the present situation.
humanzing the issue did much to sway me towards simply making citizens out of those who are here, continuing to encourage legal immigration, and ultimately tightening border security simply because it seems that this is the least a government should be able to offer it's citizens: secure borders.
what it also did was expose the xenophobia of those who would scapegoat illegals as the cause of any number of economic problems.
joyfulgirl said:
Well said. So many Americans have willingly exploited the services of illegal immigrants that it now seems cruel to suddenly denounce them as illegal.
financeguy (09-04-2005) said:
You have hit the nail on the head here, every single one on the people that have bitched about immigrants on this thread are themselves descended from immigrants.
The hypocrisy is honestly staggering.
Next time I need an emetic, I'll log onto FYM and read one of these threads about immigration, 'cos I'm honestly about to puke. I'll leave my comments about the issue at that, cos if you insult another member you get banned, but it's ok to insult an entire race of people seemingly (unless you insult Americans, that's a big no-no on here).
thrillme said:Yeah, I pretty much avoid "immigration in the U.S." discussions, considering the fact that a majority of the people in the U.S. are technically descendents of illegal immigrants...criminals as some state. The irony, hypocrisy of it is...just...can you imagine if someone from the Cherokee, Navajo, etc., nations were to read this thread or what they must think listening to these discussions in actual "real-world" debates.