LemonMelon
More 5G Than Man
I missed it also. That's more understandable; at least 30 years is in the ballpark of what I assume a rape charge would provoke. I just found 90 based on one charge exorbitant in this case.
Ohhh, I missed Ali's post that mentioned the three separate charges with the 30-year sentences.
Thanks, Ashley.
i'd just like to point out it's not for one "non-incedent" but rather three. he didn't get 90 years jail time for soliciting once, it's for three separate occasions, hence the long prison sentence.I am not saying he doesn't deserve jail but 90 years for a non incident??!!!
oh god, that's horrible. i do hear you though. studies have shown pedophiles pretty much cannot be rehabilitated, all they can do is suppress their urges, be it through medication, counselling, or both. it makes me have mixed feelings, while i don't think life in prison is "fair" to give someone who tries to rape a kid once, but if they can't be rehabilitated...shouldn't they not be released? should a sociopath who's committed five murders be let free knowing they're pretty much guaranteed to kill again?I have a bit of a personal issue with people like this because I worked with someone who had been convicted of molesting a child. The son of a bitch wasn't rehabilitated in the slightest when he was let out. He was always awkward around the kids in the store. Too friendly. And he was very open about what he did, and he didn't regret it one fucking bit, except that he went to jail. He had the nerve to suggest that the kid was asking for it. I'm just so embittered by the whole thing I have that (slightly) irrational view that people like this shouldn't be released..like...ever.
Former minister sentenced to 90 years for internet sex crimes
Updated: Nov 22, 2010 2:52 PM PST
By Tara Morgan -
LOUISA, VA (WWBT) - An 81-year-old former minister receives the 2nd longest prison sentence in Virginia history for internet sex crimes.
A judge sentenced Irvin Baldwin to 90 years Monday. In August, Baldwin was convicted of three counts of soliciting sex from a minor.
For more than 20 minutes, Baldwin addressed the court. He did not ask for leniency or fairness. He said he's already served a year for something he did not do.
Baldwin told the court he did play a role and played it well, but it was only role play and nothing else.
The commonwealth says he had an incredibly vulgar chatroom conversation late last year with a detective posing as a 13-year-old girl. Baldwin maintains he knew there wasn't a child on the other end.
Four character witnesses testified on Baldwin's behalf.
Each pleaded for leniency,
citing his age and the voluntary mission work he's done throughout the world ( I'd like to know what countries?)
helping those in need. One witness called Baldwin an extraordinary worker, Christian and man. But the prosecutor pointed out that not one of those witnesses spent a large amount of time with Baldwin.
At one point, Baldwin lashed out at the media for wanting to make this case more salacious by only saying he was a former minister. Baldwin says he was also an airline transport pilot, flight instructor, mechanic, carpenter among other trades. The commonwealth added sexual predator to the list.
Baldwin had little to say as he left Louisa Circuit Court on his way back to prison for good. Baldwin's attorney reserved the right for an appeal and declined comment after the sentencing hearing. The 90 year sentence is what the jury had recommended for Baldwin.
Judges can also issue consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole. They likely do this for several reasons. First, it's the law. If someone is convicted of murdering several people, they can receive multiple life sentences (even though it may seem redundant or pointless).
As I'm sure you're aware, there's a broader argument about whether prosecutions based on 'stings' are good law or not, which I assume is the point Butterscotch is making. I'd guess that a prosecution of this type would never be attempted under UK or Irish law, for example, as it would stand little or no chance of succeeding. Indeed, in the hypothetical scenario whereby such a case ever went to court here, the sentence under UK/Irish law would be zero months in jail, as the judge would immediately find the defendant not guilty given that the prosecution had been based on entrapment, and the defendant would probably have very good grounds to sue the police.
IF a REAL 13 year old girl met up with him, it would be different. That didn't happen. True, he did have that intent, but nothing actually happened. I am not saying he should walk free, but a couple of years is enough, let the time suit the crime. There was no girl. NOTHING HAPPENED TO A GIRL.
The 90 year sentence is excessive, but the idea that "nothing happened" here is absurdly stupid.
Besides the reality that if a 13 year old girl really wanted to do it with an 82 year old man she'd hardly be an innocent victim.
This teenager was tricked by cops into believing he was being helped by other terrorists to build a bomb to blow up at the Portland Christmas tree lighting. He was arrested, and nothing happend.
Oregon bomb-plot suspect wanted 'spectacular show' - Yahoo! News
So I DO see your point about that, but I also hope you can see that 90 years for talking dirty on the computer is excessive when murderers many times don't get nearly that much time. Besides the reality that if a 13 year old girl really wanted to do it with an 82 year old man she'd hardly be an innocent victim.
Besides the reality that if a 13 year old girl really wanted to do it with an 82 year old man she'd hardly be an innocent victim.
Wow, so someone around here doesn't understand how consent works and without it you have rape?
Surprise, surprise.
HE DID NOT GO TO JAIL FOR TALKING DIRTY ON THE COMPUTER.This teenager was tricked by cops into believing he was being helped by other terrorists to build a bomb to blow up at the Portland Christmas tree lighting. He was arrested, and nothing happend.
Oregon bomb-plot suspect wanted 'spectacular show' - Yahoo! News
So I DO see your point about that, but I also hope you can see that 90 years for talking dirty on the computer is excessive when murderers many times don't get nearly that much time. Besides the reality that if a 13 year old girl really wanted to do it with an 82 year old man she'd hardly be an innocent victim.