dazzlingamy
Refugee
I am interested in knowing where people who frequent FYM sit on the big issues that get "discussed" (and then locked!) here all the time. I want to know if there are general groups such as religious people all think this, or liberals all think this or if we all share some common thoughts but are all unique in our whole views.
I think it would be good to know where people stand on particular issues, this way 1. when issues are brought up, we can observe each others position and 2. Maybe we can see other people who have things in common with us?
Also people always seem to say 'FYM is always so liberal anti bush' yet I find a lot of bush supporters and vice versa, so i think it would be interesting to get a "real" picture of FYMers.
I really don't want this thread to turn into arguments about both sides of the BIG ISSUES and then get locked like my last one , but more a way to express your opinions on the big issues of today, and FYM.
So to me, the issues are
* Iraq War
* Religion (those that have those that don't)
* Abortion
* Stem Cell Research
* Gay Marriage/Rights
* Death Penalty
* Gun Control
* Israel conflict
* Political Views
I'm not ashamed of my views, and I do feel very strongly about them (as im sure everyone does) but I also like to see other peoples opinions and their reasons why they believe what they do!
Iraq War
I'm against it, was against it from the start, have marched in protests in my city and attended a few forums on it. I think it caused a lot more problems then solving any, and when I read the casulty reports i truly believed all those people have died in vain stuck in a war that was not needed. It also pisses me off that people are STILL making the tie between Iraq and 9/11!
Religion
I'm atheist/agonostic, and always have been. I enjoy learning about other religions but do find them very judgemental, closeminded and definately not for me. I love that i'm not religious and truthfully don't really understand how people can be.
Abortion
I'm pro choice, and think the decision should rest with the parents of the baby and no one else. I think there are enough orphans and foster kids in the world, that bringing in children because you can't safely have an abortion is a completely silly thing to do. Sometimes even with protection, you can get pregnant and even with the whole 'you can give it up for adoption' you will think about that baby for ever. Its a scary point in someone's life, but i dont think anyone else has a right to tell the mother what to do. I agree that late term abortions shouldn't happen, but my stance is, if the baby can't live without the mothers help (i dont mean breatfeeding or warmth as they can be done by someone else) then it is not a "living sentient being" and therefore its not murder, so that argument doesn't work for me.
Stem Cell Research
I think its very important, and could lead up to cures we've only ever dreamt about. I also think the arguments against stem cell research are baseless.
Gay Marriage/Rights
I believe everyone is entitled to the same rights and don't understand why people are so against gay marriage. Wth the divorce rate the way it is and stupid people getting married on a whim and then anulling it the arguments of 'gay people making marriage worthless, or not taking it seriously' are baseless as that is what marriage basically is now. I believe two men and two women can be hopelessly and devotedly in love with each other and want to spend the rest of their lives together, so why are they not entitled to have a legal union that will bind them as well as protect them in the long run with divorce or death of a partner.
Death Penalty
I don't believe in it, and don't think anyone has a right to take another person's life into their own hands. Obviously this includes murder, and I believe that people who murder should be imprisoned for life, but I still think that 1. The legal system is not as impartial and fair as it could be and innocent people have been put to death in the past 2. Killing someone for them killing someone seems like a tit for tat measure and not what a truly first world advanced country should accept. 3. I don't think its as good as punishment then life imprisonment. They will never be free, never have the same liberties as other people, but will have to live their life out behind bars for the rest of them life. Makes more sense to me. And the argument about cost of keeping them in jail is moot because if we didn't pay taxes for jail we'd be paying them somewhere else.
Gun Control
I think carrying weapons should be illegal. This goes back to my firm belief that no one should have the right to take someone elses life. I do agree that policemen should carry a gun, but should be taught to 'shoot to injure' instead of 'shoot to kill' as last years "london bomber" shows that ther eis no going back after you accidently kill someone. I live in a country where it is against the law to own a gun (unless you're a farmer and then you can only use it on your land) Of course there are illegal ones and people do get shot here, but on the whole i think it works a lot better then countries who do 'have the right to bear arms' I think its such a stupid thing, to put a gun in an amatuers hands because its such a lethal weapon, and judging by the amount of accidental deaths in the us every year from gun shots, i think it is a really perniant issue to think about. You don't need a gun to protect yourself, there are other ways.
Israel Conflict
I don't agree with what happened after WW2 but another two generations have come and gone since the Israelis settled in the area so I don't believe in moving them all out. I think its was a silly desicion to move them back ther ein the first place and feel so much uneccessary bloodshed on both sides of the conflict has happened because of it. Now i don't know what the answer is. There is just so much hatred and anger and resentment and arrogance between both sides that is hard to get a clear view and really "support" one side or the other. I am quite *shrug* with what to do, and like reading about peoples opinions in relation to helping out this conflict.
Political Views
In my country, both sides are the same, there really is no where I want to alin myself in. With my views on american politics, I am not knowledgable enough and therefore a lot of things confuse me (such as not having a "shadow" president on the opposing side like we have a shadow prime minister and head of the other party) and the like. But I definately do not agree with 99% of the decisions the Bush administration has made, so i guess this makes me NOT a conservative! haha
Well there you go, my rather long winded opinions. I really am interested in hearing from other people! Don't be shy! And remember this is peoples PERSONAL opinions and people shouldn't get attacked over that!
I think it would be good to know where people stand on particular issues, this way 1. when issues are brought up, we can observe each others position and 2. Maybe we can see other people who have things in common with us?
Also people always seem to say 'FYM is always so liberal anti bush' yet I find a lot of bush supporters and vice versa, so i think it would be interesting to get a "real" picture of FYMers.
I really don't want this thread to turn into arguments about both sides of the BIG ISSUES and then get locked like my last one , but more a way to express your opinions on the big issues of today, and FYM.
So to me, the issues are
* Iraq War
* Religion (those that have those that don't)
* Abortion
* Stem Cell Research
* Gay Marriage/Rights
* Death Penalty
* Gun Control
* Israel conflict
* Political Views
I'm not ashamed of my views, and I do feel very strongly about them (as im sure everyone does) but I also like to see other peoples opinions and their reasons why they believe what they do!
Iraq War
I'm against it, was against it from the start, have marched in protests in my city and attended a few forums on it. I think it caused a lot more problems then solving any, and when I read the casulty reports i truly believed all those people have died in vain stuck in a war that was not needed. It also pisses me off that people are STILL making the tie between Iraq and 9/11!
Religion
I'm atheist/agonostic, and always have been. I enjoy learning about other religions but do find them very judgemental, closeminded and definately not for me. I love that i'm not religious and truthfully don't really understand how people can be.
Abortion
I'm pro choice, and think the decision should rest with the parents of the baby and no one else. I think there are enough orphans and foster kids in the world, that bringing in children because you can't safely have an abortion is a completely silly thing to do. Sometimes even with protection, you can get pregnant and even with the whole 'you can give it up for adoption' you will think about that baby for ever. Its a scary point in someone's life, but i dont think anyone else has a right to tell the mother what to do. I agree that late term abortions shouldn't happen, but my stance is, if the baby can't live without the mothers help (i dont mean breatfeeding or warmth as they can be done by someone else) then it is not a "living sentient being" and therefore its not murder, so that argument doesn't work for me.
Stem Cell Research
I think its very important, and could lead up to cures we've only ever dreamt about. I also think the arguments against stem cell research are baseless.
Gay Marriage/Rights
I believe everyone is entitled to the same rights and don't understand why people are so against gay marriage. Wth the divorce rate the way it is and stupid people getting married on a whim and then anulling it the arguments of 'gay people making marriage worthless, or not taking it seriously' are baseless as that is what marriage basically is now. I believe two men and two women can be hopelessly and devotedly in love with each other and want to spend the rest of their lives together, so why are they not entitled to have a legal union that will bind them as well as protect them in the long run with divorce or death of a partner.
Death Penalty
I don't believe in it, and don't think anyone has a right to take another person's life into their own hands. Obviously this includes murder, and I believe that people who murder should be imprisoned for life, but I still think that 1. The legal system is not as impartial and fair as it could be and innocent people have been put to death in the past 2. Killing someone for them killing someone seems like a tit for tat measure and not what a truly first world advanced country should accept. 3. I don't think its as good as punishment then life imprisonment. They will never be free, never have the same liberties as other people, but will have to live their life out behind bars for the rest of them life. Makes more sense to me. And the argument about cost of keeping them in jail is moot because if we didn't pay taxes for jail we'd be paying them somewhere else.
Gun Control
I think carrying weapons should be illegal. This goes back to my firm belief that no one should have the right to take someone elses life. I do agree that policemen should carry a gun, but should be taught to 'shoot to injure' instead of 'shoot to kill' as last years "london bomber" shows that ther eis no going back after you accidently kill someone. I live in a country where it is against the law to own a gun (unless you're a farmer and then you can only use it on your land) Of course there are illegal ones and people do get shot here, but on the whole i think it works a lot better then countries who do 'have the right to bear arms' I think its such a stupid thing, to put a gun in an amatuers hands because its such a lethal weapon, and judging by the amount of accidental deaths in the us every year from gun shots, i think it is a really perniant issue to think about. You don't need a gun to protect yourself, there are other ways.
Israel Conflict
I don't agree with what happened after WW2 but another two generations have come and gone since the Israelis settled in the area so I don't believe in moving them all out. I think its was a silly desicion to move them back ther ein the first place and feel so much uneccessary bloodshed on both sides of the conflict has happened because of it. Now i don't know what the answer is. There is just so much hatred and anger and resentment and arrogance between both sides that is hard to get a clear view and really "support" one side or the other. I am quite *shrug* with what to do, and like reading about peoples opinions in relation to helping out this conflict.
Political Views
In my country, both sides are the same, there really is no where I want to alin myself in. With my views on american politics, I am not knowledgable enough and therefore a lot of things confuse me (such as not having a "shadow" president on the opposing side like we have a shadow prime minister and head of the other party) and the like. But I definately do not agree with 99% of the decisions the Bush administration has made, so i guess this makes me NOT a conservative! haha
Well there you go, my rather long winded opinions. I really am interested in hearing from other people! Don't be shy! And remember this is peoples PERSONAL opinions and people shouldn't get attacked over that!