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and this is why bernie sanders supporters annoy the hell out of me. Hell, i think they annoy him as well.
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and this is why bernie sanders supporters annoy the hell out of me. Hell, i think they annoy him as well.
This is as simplistic and dismissive as Irvine's post. Clinton's supporters are more diverse than you realize (Democrats in general are much more diverse than Republicans in the first place, but I digress). I think there are Clinton supporters who like that she has foreign policy experience and diplomatic relations already established because of that. She has worked in multiple branches of government. She is, in theory, a more appealing option for centrists because her ideas are not "radical" and "far left" like Bernie's. The job won't be too big for her, and there is comfort in that in the minds of a lot of people.Clinton gets old people that are barely informed.
Clinton gets rich people that call themselves Democrats but don't want to pay higher taxes.
Clinton supposedly also has black people in her camp thanks to being associated with the Obama administration, but we'll see what happens when South Carolina rolls around.
That's it.
And this is why Bernie Sanders supporters annoy the hell out of me. Hell, I think they annoy him as well.
To be honest, I can't get excited about this election at all, as opposed to 2008. Can we just have a 3rd Obama term, please?
I'm saying I like Ted Cruz and would vote for him.
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I like Bernie, but yeah, his supporters can definitely be rather...forceful.
Mind, that whole thing recently with Gloria Steinem and Madeleine Albright in regards to why women should support Hilary left a rather sour taste in my mouth, too. People getting pushy in their stumping for any candidate is pretty obnoxious.
I kinda feel the same way. I'm voting Democrat no matter who wins the nomination, but there's not the excitement for it that there was with Obama. I was honestly excited to get out and vote for him in 2008, and I was happy to vote for him again in 2012. I wouldn't complain about him sticking around longer if such a thing were possible.
(Or, barring that, if we could get Michelle to be president somehow. I'd be all for her running the country, too.)
I find it somewhat thoughtless and very inaccurate to compare Sanders and his supporters to the Tea Party.
Whatever the source, they're still rolling in cash - and fixated on it or on sourcing donations - compared to here. It's weird looking at how often American pollies ask for money. You won't hear that much here, what with public campaign funding, donation limits, etc.
I haven't seen much of it. The only people I've noticed noticing it are people actively looking for it.I don't. At least not some of his supporters. The intensity and rigidity and demonization of Hillary would make a Republican proud.
I'd vote for Ted as well. I don't vote for Democrats.
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Exactly, trojan.
And that clip of Gloria on Bill Maher's show talking about how young women are going to the Bernie rallies to meet boys, implying they're not taking this as seriously? Like, WTF kind of reasoning is that ?
It's fairly ridiculous.
My husband, who is typically a conservative voter, though he has on occasion voted for the Greens, is a very strong fiscal conservative who doesn't care at all about social issues. He is on the liberal side of social issues but doesn't attach great importance to them when he votes, he's much more concerned about debt, deficits and the economy. He is an economist who works for an international bank. And he will flat out tell you that in his opinion (keep in mind this is a man who does not vote for left or centre-left parties as a general rule), everything Bernie Sanders says about the financial world and income inequality is 100% correct, the issue really is whether his plans/ideas for fixing it could make things even worse. And it's not a secret either among financial elites that they pretty much recognize the same.
So the idea that he is some lunatic or his followers are comparable to Tea Partiers who share e-mails of the Obamas looking like monkeys and who want to keep Muslims out and build walls to keep Mexican racists out and are paranoid about Sharia Law is frankly very laughable.
This is as simplistic and dismissive as Irvine's post.
Fuck Ted Cruz. Beyond having horrible policy positions, anyone who has spent more than a little time with him seems to be in agreement that he is a nightmare of a human being.
Wait, isn't Hillary now against the TPP?
I haven't seen much of it. The only people I've noticed noticing it are people actively looking for it.
my feed is flooded with Sanders supporters posting about how awful/terrible/horrible Hillary is, how they won't vote at all if she's the nominee, etc.
We would be blessed as a nation to have Ted Cruz as our next president.
Who says that? Trump? Republican establishment? Liberals? Of course they do. Everyone in Washington hates him because he's taking the Washington machine head on and winning. We would be blessed as a nation to have Ted Cruz as our next president.
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No. Just...so much no.
Setting aside his stance on various policies for a moment, which I strongly disagree with, any guy who thinks making a stupid video showing him proudly brandishing a machine gun and showing how he can "make bacon" with it is proof of how badass and tough he is...I don't want someone like that running our country.
This is why Republicans want Hillary to win the Dem nomination.
My issue with your entire line of thinking is that you're taking one poster on an Internet forum and "some things I've seen on Facebook" as evidence that there is this huge swath of Sanders supporters that are Tea Party-esque left wing radicals. I simply don't see it and am growing a bit frustrated and tired of that portrayal. I consider myself pretty tuned into the left on the Internet, and I really don't see it. I saw an article somewhere recently admonishing Sanders for his followers that was based entirely on two (2) comments from Facebook. I think this hemming and hawing is largely overblown, and not based in any real concerns.but this is exactly the point i was making.
Nearly everyone who knew him at all in college, for starters. And they all say he's exactly the same now as he was then.Who says that? Trump? Republican establishment? Liberals? Of course they do. Everyone in Washington hates him because he's taking the Washington machine head on and winning. We would be blessed as a nation to have Ted Cruz as our next president.
Well, my question to that would be: what are they saying about her? Is it sexist nonsense, or is it legitimate critiques of her record and connections?i may have a more fundamentally liberal friend base on facebook than you do, but my feed is flooded with Sanders supporters posting about how awful/terrible/horrible Hillary is, how they won't vote at all if she's the nominee, etc. obviously these are generalizations, and the loudest voices get all the attention, but i don't remember anything like this in 2008 even amongst the PUMAs.
what i'm most interested in, and where i see the most parallels with the Tea Party, is the PINO charges -- Progressive in Name Only -- and the virtue of purity above all else.
everyone who went to Princeton with him seems to hate him.
there's also this:
I don't. At least not some of his supporters. The intensity and rigidity and demonization of Hillary would make a Republican proud.
Who says that? Trump? Republican establishment? Liberals? Of course they do. Everyone in Washington hates him because he's taking the Washington machine head on and winning. We would be blessed as a nation to have Ted Cruz as our next president.
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My issue with your entire line of thinking is that you're taking one poster on an Internet forum and "some things I've seen on Facebook" as evidence that there is this huge swath of Sanders supporters that are Tea Party-esque left wing radicals. I simply don't see it and am growing a bit frustrated and tired of that portrayal. I consider myself pretty tuned into the left on the Internet, and I really don't see it. I saw an article somewhere recently admonishing Sanders for his followers that was based entirely on two (2) comments from Facebook. I think this hemming and hawing is largely overblown, and not based in any real concerns.
Here's what I am saying: If you want to go after Sanders, do it for the viability of his economic policy or for concerns about how he would deal with foreign policy. Let's debate that. Don't rip him because you saw a few assholes on Facebook be assholes.
I anticipate the response to this post being something akin to "It's a lot more than a few examples," and if that is the case, I guess we will have to agree to disagree. And likely probably not participate in much back-and-forth on the issue with each other, which is unfortunate. But I refuse to engage on this much longer, because "Bernie Bros" and similar narratives simply are not a legitimate issue.
The media has it out for Cruz, which is why CNN aired that. Give him a break, him and his family aren't professional actors.