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How confident are we that SOA even exists in any sort of form other than a collection of what U2 call demos/ideas on a server somewhere? Its one of those things which we've all hung on to over the years and they keep referencing it every few years, but on the Bono BS scale from 1-10, I am starting to think its near the top end.
Honestly until this thread I had totally not thought about it in forever. I *certainly* don't think it's anything more than some notes/a few rough demos at most. I think it's certainly an idea though. Like it clearly would wrap things up nicely so Bono is probably like "ok our last album is going to be SOA" but they aren't going to really get into making the album until it's time to actually hang it up.
 
How confident are we that SOA even exists in any sort of form other than a collection of what U2 call demos/ideas on a server somewhere? Its one of those things which we've all hung on to over the years and they keep referencing it every few years, but on the Bono BS scale from 1-10, I am starting to think its near the top end.
in the early 2010s i was with you. a lot of people thought that SOA was a completed album just sitting in The Edge's basement, vs. a bunch of ideas and sketches that never actually amounted to anything more than that.

over the past couple of years, though - i do think that changed. their tone when speaking about it changed. i'll try to find the exact quotes - but edge or adam had referenced that they finished it and were holding it, i believe - and not just the typical boner hyperbole.

so i do now think that there's a decent chance that sometime over or since COVID they went back and finished Songs of Ascent and actually ARE holding it now as a swan song type release - whenever that may be.
 
Bono was so particularly focused on viewing himself as a songwriter in the Zane Lowe interview that I have a hard time believing he wants to stop. And I am not sure he’d want to write songs and let the best stuff not be U2 songs, either. Call it ego or belief in the band or whatever. Maybe Larry can’t/won’t tour anymore. That doesn’t necessarily have to mean the end of U2 as a recording entity as a vehicle for the songs.
 
They probably revisited Songs of Ascent and tore apart the ethereal and atmospheric interesting sonic qualities in favour of bland rock riffs, ala the lobotomised versions of the Pop songs for 1990-2000 compilation.
 
Completely agree. As much as I like Atomic City, and it is *technically* a new sound for them, it feels a bit backwards looking in a way that doesn't particularly suit them. But I love the sound of Glorify. If it really is them, then good on them and whatever producer they've got there. It's exciting and yet it feels like an avenue that makes sense for U2, especially as they getting up there in age. Something a bit more meditative, yet still catchy, using a bit of modern take on gospel which is a genre they've tapped into before and makes a good fit for them.
Atomic City's the sort of generic crap that the embarrassing Lenny Kravitz or Kid Rock would spew out.

If you're gonna rock, do it properly and be rough and ready, not 'clean' sounding to fit the radio, and display some angst and anger rather than 'shout it out loud, I'm on top of the world' cut and paste choruses. They were originally a post-punk band, they know what that is, so there's no excuse.

Glorify feels more like U2, more adventurous and tasteful in its influences.
 
Bono was so particularly focused on viewing himself as a songwriter in the Zane Lowe interview that I have a hard time believing he wants to stop. And I am not sure he’d want to write songs and let the best stuff not be U2 songs, either. Call it ego or belief in the band or whatever. Maybe Larry can’t/won’t tour anymore. That doesn’t necessarily have to mean the end of U2 as a recording entity as a vehicle for the songs.

That's the vibe I got from the Letterman doc too. I very much get the vibe that Bono wants to keep writing and recording music, almost a rededication to it. As to whether or not that is with U2 remains to be seen. I would not be shocked if there was a Bono solo record released in the next few years.
 
here's a few... this is Adam. might be coincidental - but he speaks of SOA as something that exists, vs. the new album of something that WILL exist.

This will be distinct from your long-touted ‘Songs Of Ascent’ album?

“Well, ‘Songs Of Ascent’ is a much more meditative, spiritual record. This will be ‘Songs For Fighting’, I’d say (laughs).”
and Bono from the NYT - actually played a couple of songs to the writer

ou’re going to play me your new music on your phone? This is going to be awkward. But, sure, give it a shot. Yeah! It’s called “The Bard’s Last Breath.” We have almost finished this album called “Songs of Ascent,” which we’re not putting out. We’re going to put out a rock ’n’ roll album. So we’re not putting this out, but I’m telling you it’s awesome. [Bono plays the music from his phone, singing along with his own recorded vocals.] “It’s a matter of degrees, but the bard was never pleased to wake up in the morning/And he said, ‘Rise, rise, the sun will rise and will set/It will rise, rise, and it hurries to forget.’/He said, ‘Rise! Rise! All are leaving just not yet.’/He said, ‘Rise! Rise! With his very last breath.’” There’s pure joy. I’ll play one more. It’s amazing. It’s called “Smile.”

Is it telling about your personality that I asked you a semi-skeptical question about inspiration and your response somehow involves unabashedly playing me your new music while you sing along? No, not abashed! This is called “Smile.” It’s a very cool, Beatle-y thing. [Bono again plays the music from his phone, singing along with his own recorded vocals.] “You make me smile,/It’s been a while,/You put a smile/Back on my face, back on my face.” [A guitar part enters.] Edge! It’s a ridiculous pop sort of “Rubber Soul,” isn’t it?

They sound like U2 songs. Do they sound like U2 songs? But the songwriting is there, you see.

So you had a whole U2 album that you scrapped? Didn’t scrap it, just held it. It’s called “Songs of Ascent.”

And you decided an angrier album made more sense? A noisy, uncompromising, unreasonable guitar album. In among that unreasonableness, it is likely that I will put the part of me, the anger that hasn’t been managed, to good use. While I am, with this book, trying to make peace with myself and my maker, I have no intentions of making peace with the world. That’s not on the agenda. I like to think I have the freedom to be whatever I want. My anger at inequality became focused on a community far away from home. You know, you have to pick your fights.

so yea - it does seem like SOA actually exists, in some form, currently... vs. fifteen years earlier, when it seemed like it was more of a post No Line idea that was never fully fleshed out - with a number of the songs intended for the original SOA (like Every Breaking Wave) ultimately being released in other forms on other albums.
 
“They sound like U2 songs. Do they sound like U2 songs? But the songwriting is there, you see.“

FFS
 
I will admit I was not following what the band had to say about this Songs of Ascent project for a long time. Although it does seem more concrete now in terms of what Headache has posted... I'll believe it when I hear it. This whole notion of not releasing an album, but putting out a 40-track record of uninspired and unnecessary 'acoustic' reinventions of old songs, seems ridiculous even for this band.
 
I will admit I was not following what the band had to say about this Songs of Ascent project for a long time. Although it does seem more concrete now in terms of what Headache has posted... I'll believe it when I hear it. This whole notion of not releasing an album, but putting out a 40-track record of uninspired and unnecessary 'acoustic' reinventions of old songs, seems ridiculous even for this band.
I saw it as a book soundtrack rather than a standalone release. The Surrender audiobook is spectacularly produced and worth a listen; Songs of Surrender is a companion piece.
 
Atomic City's the sort of generic crap that the embarrassing Lenny Kravitz or Kid Rock would spew out.

If you're gonna rock, do it properly and be rough and ready, not 'clean' sounding to fit the radio, and display some angst and anger rather than 'shout it out loud, I'm on top of the world' cut and paste choruses. They were originally a post-punk band, they know what that is, so there's no excuse.

Glorify feels more like U2, more adventurous and tasteful in its influences.
comparing Atomic City to Kid Rock is absurd.

we don't even know for sure that Glorify is an actual U2 song. the only vocalist on the Sphere outro is Brittany Howard, and it's, like, 90 seconds long. it sounds like a pop gospel song. i don't find anything about it particularly adventurous at all.

it feels like if they released Glorify and used Atomic City as the outro song, you'd be bashing Glorify and calling Atomic City a fresh new change of pace.
 
Bono was so particularly focused on viewing himself as a songwriter in the Zane Lowe interview that I have a hard time believing he wants to stop. And I am not sure he’d want to write songs and let the best stuff not be U2 songs, either. Call it ego or belief in the band or whatever. Maybe Larry can’t/won’t tour anymore. That doesn’t necessarily have to mean the end of U2 as a recording entity as a vehicle for the songs.
I agree. Both him and Edge have been saying similar things about improving their songwriting craft in recent times. Which is great, but I really hope that means we get to hear more new songs from them than we have done in recent times.
 
comparing Atomic City to Kid Rock is absurd.

we don't even know for sure that Glorify is an actual U2 song. the only vocalist on the Sphere outro is Brittany Howard, and it's, like, 90 seconds long. it sounds like a pop gospel song. i don't find anything about it particularly adventurous at all.

it feels like if they released Glorify and used Atomic City as the outro song, you'd be bashing Glorify and calling Atomic City a fresh new change of pace.
There are recordings out there that are 3 minutes long. We can’t hear all the nuances but it’s not hard to get a good picture of it.

I think they’re both a fresh new change of pace, I just am less interesting in U2 when they really trying to “Rock,” I think a lot of people feel the same way and that’s where the naysaying comes in.

Also, they’ve definitely already released Smile, right? Are they still working on it? I feel like they’ve mentioned Soon as an “unreleased” SOA song as well.
 
Also, they’ve definitely already released Smile, right? Are they still working on it? I feel like they’ve mentioned Soon as an “unreleased” SOA song as well.
Based on the lyrics, this is something completely different. Smile from the HTDAAB sessions is illustrative of my preferred mode of U2, far less forced and more evocative than their modern “rawk” arrangements.
 
Atomic City's the sort of generic crap that the embarrassing Lenny Kravitz or Kid Rock would spew out.

If you're gonna rock, do it properly and be rough and ready, not 'clean' sounding to fit the radio, and display some angst and anger rather than 'shout it out loud, I'm on top of the world' cut and paste choruses. They were originally a post-punk band, they know what that is, so there's no excuse.

Glorify feels more like U2, more adventurous and tasteful in its influences.
"Absolute bollocks"
 
Songs of Innocence
Songs of Experience
Songs of Surrender
Songs of _____________
Songs of Ascent

You know they're going to try and thread the needle and keep the Songs Of theme going to the end. Any guesses as to what fits as a title? Anything fit between between surrender and death? Any amateur theologians among us? I'm an ignorant atheist
 
they’ll go with Songs of Defiance because they’re just a punk band, y’know
 
How confident are we that SOA even exists in any sort of form other than a collection of what U2 call demos/ideas on a server somewhere?

The songwriter's translation, based on interviews they've done over the years...
  • If I were to guess, "Unreleased" would probably be a more apt description than just "Demos" and "Ideas." It's possible they have a few songs that are more or less just ideas with Bono toplining or mumbling over a basic instrumental (as most songs start out, haha). That would probably match "demo" or "idea" more in the sense of the word. But Bono mentioned in 2022 it was "almost finished", which probably means they at least have a group of songs that are way beyond a demo stage. And most likely enough to be an album, unless they completed a few more or wanted to work on a few more "incomplete" ideas.
  • If we heard these songs with basic mixes, I would guess they sound like "complete" tracks in the sense that there's a song there. Keep in mind this is also a band without day jobs on the side and can easily hire an engineer to flesh things out in an instant, in terms of song structure, piecing guitars and vocals together into something coherent, and such. I would guess a lot of that work was already done before 2009. The only real thing to do then is just to finesse them into a way where you're happy with them and would want to release them.
 
We need to remember as well, there have been album release false starts in 2006, 2009, 2013, 2016 and several sessions since. We’ve heard some demos of released songs that are fundamentally different, and plenty of songs that are just beach clips, sound check snippets as well. I think they are past demos/ideas on probably 100 songs over that period. A lot of their language has been about “selecting” the songs.

It seems from here their process for both albums could be picking the songs that work on a particular album/theme, maybe adding another one or two, and recording them fresh so they sound “now”.
 
Songs of Innocence
Songs of Experience
Songs of Surrender
Songs of _____________
Songs of Ascent

You know they're going to try and thread the needle and keep the Songs Of theme going to the end. Any guesses as to what fits as a title? Anything fit between between surrender and death? Any amateur theologians among us? I'm an ignorant atheist
Songs of Purgatory
 
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