LuckyNumber7
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Guess I’ll have to give it another go…?
Guess I’ll have to give it another go…?
I’d take a ticket refund
I can't believe they are going ahead with the tour. What a mess.
And that Dublin received them last night with "rapturous applause" according to one headline, and that they opened with Wake Up and left the stage to Stand By Me. A lot of fans were conflicted about going, many seemed not to know about the allegations or heard something vague about them at the last minute. I understand that canceling would be really hard on the other band members and especially the road crew, but it's disturbing to imagine actually celebrating Win right now. People are understandably weary about everything in the world, but I hope this isn't a backlash against women finally being able to come forward and be heard. I need more info before I can be a fan again, and even then...idk.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2...sexual-misconduct-against-frontman-win-butler
i've told myself that i'm not going to be deleting their music off my phone and/or stop listening to them because a music blog with zero history of investigative reporting came out with a story saying that Win is a creep. but at the same time? i haven't listened to anything of theirs since the news has come out - possibly subconsciously.
i've also stopped looking at picking up tickets for when they come to DC in October and won't be giving them a cent until more comes out about this, because some of what was in that article is clearly troubling - specifically the one person who says he touched her without consent.
sad situation - will wait and see what comes out. this is the first time something like this has happened with a band that i actually like, and i really hope they have a better response than what they've stated so far.
i've told myself that i'm not going to be deleting their music off my phone and/or stop listening to them because a music blog with zero history of investigative reporting came out with a story saying that Win is a creep. but at the same time? i haven't listened to anything of theirs since the news has come out - possibly subconsciously.
i've also stopped looking at picking up tickets for when they come to DC in October and won't be giving them a cent until more comes out about this, because some of what was in that article is clearly troubling - specifically the one person who says he touched her without consent.
sad situation - will wait and see what comes out. this is the first time something like this has happened with a band that i actually like, and i really hope they have a better response than what they've stated so far.
Yea it's a poorly written article, probably because Pitchfork isn't typically the venue for this kind of story. Rolling Stone has experience with this kind of thing before. I wonder if they also had this scoop and passed because some of the info is a little thin and details changed after basic questioning.I can’t think of a better summary of how I feel. They’re on hold for me. I was a bit confused by the actual report (as mentioned before about the “age inappropriateness”). I want a more concrete presentation of facts before I move on.
feist has dropped off the tour with one of the most eloquent, thoughtful takes i’ve seen on this whole situation.
I actually have a ton more respect for how Dance Gavin Dance handled a similar situation with their singer. They basically made him go get rehab/counseling and still toured but with another member performing lead vocals. The band hasn't announced if Tillian is coming back yet.
I can’t think of a better summary of how I feel. They’re on hold for me. I was a bit confused by the actual report (as mentioned before about the “age inappropriateness”). I want a more concrete presentation of facts before I move on.
Yea it's a poorly written article, probably because Pitchfork isn't typically the venue for this kind of story. Rolling Stone has experience with this kind of thing before. I wonder if they also had this scoop and passed because some of the info is a little thin and details changed after basic questioning.
If it were merely "Win contacted 18-22 year old fans on Instagram and carried on consensual sexual activities with them" ? Well, okay - sure, guy might be a creep but there's nothing legally or morally wrong per se.
That's great
I find this point of view really strange, and a little driven by anti-Pitchfork attitude. The article was incredibly in-depth and extremely well-researched. It would have taken months. Accounts corroborated by friends and family. Images seen. The accounts from the victims are quite detailed, and I don't see anything in them that makes them so dismissable when Win's remarks in return are a bit defensive and confusing. We know the statistics on false reports. At best, Win's behaviour is gross as fuck and deserves condemnation, and though I don't think cancellation is the best method here (as Feist alludes to in her excellent statement) neither is his simplistic "simply untrue" statement. If you are really sorry, and really committed to gender equality and making women feel safe, it's a bit more grey than that.
Feist has dropped off the tour with one of the most eloquent, thoughtful takes I’ve seen on this whole situation.
https://www.stereogum.com/2198212/f...ddresses-allegations-against-win-butler/news/
Still coming down from a phenomenal show in Minneapolis last night. Lots of I haven't seen the band since they toured The Suburbs- I was amazed on how great Reflector, Everything Now(song) and the new album translated live.
Unconditional (Lookout Kid) packed a lot more energy than the studio cut, Rabbit Hole was the biggest surprise as how great it sounded and The Lightning was just awesome. 10/10 show!