Moment Of Surrender is overrated thread

[Tripoli]

the broken cart wheel noise eno talks about is stupid and does nothing for the song. seriously, imagine it without it when you listen to it. yeah, its cool that is sparked this song but that doesnt mean it had to stay in the mix. wouldve been just fine as a four piece too.

also a modified infinite guitar throughout wouldve been killer i think

 

[Earnie Shavers]

No way to all the suggestions of extra instrumentation/more Edge. Eno and Adam giving you the feel of a train rolling along, with the organ and (synth) strings giving you a sense of doom or whatever = all it needs. It’s a soul/gospel song, not a ballad. Again, think of Still Haven’t Found. There’s not much going on there either. In these types of songs the musicians aren’t there to match the singer, they give him room and just create the right time and place somewhere well behind him. In soul and gospel songs, almost everything should be in the voice. In both of these cases, it’s Bono’s song, as it should be.

 

[Needle_Chill]

How can a song be overrated when it hasn't even been released as a single, hasn't been placed atop "best song of all time lists" ala One, and hasn't even been heard by anyone outside of the boards and the media?

The whole premise of this thread is flawed. You could say that it will be the song that everyone will look to as the 2000s equivalent of One, but not that it's overrated. It's a great song, and I think that we are unavoidably biased in our minds to One cause it's literally imprinted on our psyche.

 

[zwervers2]

How can a song be overrated when it hasn't even been released as a single, hasn't been placed atop "best song of all time lists" ala One, and hasn't even been heard by anyone outside of the boards and the media?

interesting post. that is my whole point why I feel it is overrated by the people here

 

[MMP]

The most beautifull car in the world for me at least. a second hand Jaguar E-type roadster which I am EXTREMELY proud of so I am normally carefull when it commes to statements like this concerning "her"

Ok, it would be dumb to say something now cause it doesn't matter how much I think MoS is great. It will need the general public approval to become a "classic". To me, it is already, but there's no way to know how the casual and general public will react.

 

[LyricalDrug]

It will need the general public approval to become a "classic".

Hmm, I'm not sure about that. "Bad" wasn't released as a single and until "Live Aid" it was really just a song that hardcore U2 fans appreciated. Even today, most casual music fans don't always recognize it. I think the real test of whether it becomes a "classic" is how well it holds up live. If it takes off like we all suspect it will, and if Bono throws in some spine-tingling extra lyrics (think of "shine like stars in the summer night" or "hear me scratching / do you make me crawl?"), I think it has a good chance to become legendary.

 

[subnet]

what I find interesting is that this song has so much to offer the listener, many layers, and yet remains quite reserved to some respect.

This could be that track that evolves into something very huge live, big crescendo, longer more dominant solo, with a tremendous coda.

Song that eases into TTTYAATW live...

 

[LemonMelon]

156 replies? This thread is overrated.

 

[revolver]

the broken cart wheel noise eno talks about is stupid and does nothing for the song. seriously, imagine it without it when you listen to it. yeah, its cool that is sparked this song but that doesnt mean it had to stay in the mix. wouldve been just fine as a four piece too.

also a modified infinite guitar throughout wouldve been killer i think

Is that broken cart wheel noise the thing that is clearly audible at the beginning and then serves as extra rhythmic percussion throughout? If so, then I think its the most brilliant part of the song. Its something that truly gives it an extra sense of rhythm that, on first listen, made me think we truly were going to hear a masterpiece. Its reminiscent of a song from the last Nick Cave album. I love the layered rhythm it provides, if we're even talking about the same thing. More adventurous sounds like this scattered throughout and I'd love the album a lot more.

 

[thelaj]

I think it is over-rated yes. It is a good song, but perhaps over-long and the chorus does nothing for me.

However, we all have our opinions and I am happy to accept others'

 

[LemonMelon]

I think it is over-rated yes. It is a good song, but perhaps over-long and the chorus does nothing for me.

However, we all have our opinions and I am happy to accept others'

Honestly, the last minute or so is my favorite part. Maybe cutting another verse out would have been OK with me, but the extended outro is incredible.

 

[thelaj]

Honestly, the last minute or so is my favorite part. Maybe cutting another verse out would have been OK with me, but the extended outro is incredible.

Yeah, I love the outro... I just mean 2 mins from "somewhere" in the song. More guitar less wailing would be nice as well.

 

[No spoken words]

the broken cart wheel noise eno talks about is stupid and does nothing for the song. seriously, imagine it without it when you listen to it. yeah, its cool that is sparked this song but that doesnt mean it had to stay in the mix. wouldve been just fine as a four piece too.

also a modified infinite guitar throughout wouldve been killer i think

I think we can chalk this up to Eno's inexperience/general incompetence/lack of a successful track record.

 

[PowerSurge]

the broken cart wheel noise eno talks about is stupid and does nothing for the song. seriously, imagine it without it when you listen to it. yeah, its cool that is sparked this song but that doesnt mean it had to stay in the mix. wouldve been just fine as a four piece too.

also a modified infinite guitar throughout wouldve been killer i think

I think you are projecting what you want the song to be as opposed to what it really is. There's a big difference. I think the reviews built it up to be something really overblown when it reality its anything but that.

Sure they could have put the infinite guitar in there like WOWY, or a bunch of Edge chingy guitar reverb like....well....all of their other songs....but I truly think they got it right. But thats just me. I kept my hopes down on that song because I didn't want to fall into the hype, and I think thats why I really like the song. Its too bad too many people's hopes were through the roof. Had they of had more realistic expectations then maybe they would have been pleasantly surprised and actually let the song grow on them slowly as opposed to expecting it to swallow them whole or something.

 

[Chief43]

156 replies? This thread is overrated.

 

[BGD75]

You may find it overrated.... I personally LOVE the song, and is my fave on the album!

 

[edgeplaytheblue]

One is overrated.

MOS is an amazing song.

One is definately overrated. This is a song i don't want to hear live

 

[mysterious_jen]

Another point I would like to make, is that many people who love the song, may be non native English speakers (and indeed many native speakers as well), who may not necessarily understand the subtleties of the English language and what sets apart a great lyric from a simply great sounding one.

For instance I remember one guy who didn't like One, because he claimed the lyrics were 'mean'.

OMG are you for real?


i fucking love this song and last time i checked i had been speaking english for damm near 30 years!




this is a beautiful song, just accept it and move on people .

 

[zwervers2]

this is a beautiful song, just accept it and move on people .

MJ is right. I think it is mediocre, just accept it and move on people.

Still, I am curious if they are able to make this song work live. it is too long to do accoustic. it can be done on elec. guitar but it is quit weird actually because it alters the song completely.

 

[Tripoli]

two words

infinite
guitar

look for it live paired with wowy, bet

 

[singyourlife]

i wasn't overly keen at first, and didn't really take to it, but it's totally growing on me.

 

[stray dog]

Lmao...and this is the ANTI MOS thread? I love it myself. Love the entire album.

 

[thug]

I now use the word 'MoS' instead of awesome.

"That car is MoS"
"Your momma's cooking is MoS"

 

[ramblin rose]

I now use the word 'MoS' instead of awesome.

"That car is MoS"
"Your momma's cooking is MoS"

What a great idea. I couldn't agree with you more!!!!

 

[PowerSurge]

Lmao...and this is the ANTI MOS thread? I love it myself. Love the entire album.

Money could be raining from the sky and there would still be people complaining about having to go out and shovel it or rake it off of their lawns.

Thats the sad world we live in.

 

[AtomicBono]

Plus Bono sings like s***, with no voice and sounding quite like a drunk

I do have to say, I'm rather surprised at the lack of smilies in your post

I think we can chalk this up to Eno's inexperience/general incompetence/lack of a successful track record.

you are my hero. at least for this thread.

So, yeah. I think MOS has grown on me the most. After watching the Eno video I listened to it like 4 times in a row. Such a beautiful, sad song. I love the guitar towards the end especially. It almost sounds like a piano.

I have to say I'm a bit saddened by all the One hating here though. Is it just because you're sick of it? I still feel the magic when I listen to the album version, or the ZooTV performances.

 

[BGD75]

Another point I would like to make, is that many people who love the song, may be non native English speakers (and indeed many native speakers as well), who may not necessarily understand the subtleties of the English language and what sets apart a great lyric from a simply great sounding one.

For instance I remember one guy who didn't like One, because he claimed the lyrics were 'mean'.

You are kidding me, right? I mean, this is one of the stupidest reasonings I have heard.. You are pretty much saying that people who like the song like it because they don't get it - and if they did get it they would realize how it actually was?

 

[boosterjuice]

Nothing special about MOS for me. I love Bono's vocals on it but there is NOTHING special about the chord progression. That chord progression has been done many times before, just not as slow tempo as MOS.

All in all, not a bad song, just not great as many on here hype it up to be.

 

[yenlard]

one is not overrated..........just overplayed. especially on tour.

 

[iacrobat]

It is growing on me...but I still have to force myself not to skip it. Once I am through the intro, it gets better. But for now it is my least favourite track on the album. The best thing it has going for it is that it sounds good in its place on the album, if I skip it my listening experience feels incomplete. However, for me that is true for any track on the record.

Part of the problem is that there was so much talk about it before the (unofficial) release that I really expected something spectacular. Reviews talked about an amazing buildup throughout the song, but it just does not happen and is anticlimactic. I know for some it is great, but it just isn't doing it for me.

Edited to add: Like some others, I think Bono's performance is the best thing about this song.