Classic stuff.
Just a rant
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Classic stuff.
so the vox (i call brianvox "the vox" because all the cool kids do)... why have you never answered why your claim about the Q review from your "inside source" was completely wrong?
yea good call on that one the cheif 
BVS
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The vox's inside(his head) source has been wrong on everything. It's probably time to imagine a new girlfriend.
I don't believe q is out yet.
the review from the q was quoted in some other online publication... they're gonna call it the 2's "best the album yet"
the source in the vox's the head is the stupid.
your source is a bottle of dasani?
Thanks. Its Mr. The Vox to you.
no no... the vox. all the cool kids call you the vox.
BVS
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No... it's not
People seem to be missing my point:
- That big hollywood blockbuster that comes out on July 4th? Do you think it's finished on May 4th and then just sits in a can for 2 months? No, they're working on it right up to the last minute. Same with video games, and most other forms of entertainment these days. Only TV (which has a set distribution schedule), books (which are dying as a business enterprise precisely because they cling to the old ways) and some musical acts are stuck pre-1995.
- Yes, there are a whole bunch of things that the band/machine can be doing now...none of which involves working on the actual album or is preventing it from being released. Art? The NLOTH cover was released Jan 15th. Rehearsals? Has to wait until the album is done anyway. Tour prep? Willie's been quoted as having been working on the plans since last spring, all the way through early recording (a typical U2 practice back as far as ZooTV). Promotion? Do you really think anything has happened in the last week--or will in the next week--that would reach a broader audience than the story "U2 says f-it, album is done, it's up on iTunes tonight at midnight"? They aren't just going to drop it off in the bargain bin at Sam's Club and not tell anyone...it would be the biggest story in all media--consumer and straight news, not just music media--if it happened.
This entire process is filled with things that are traditionally done in the gap between album completion and physical distribution. Because, decades ago, the technology of that process mandated that there was a gap there. But the technology has changed. And following the same traditions now is as senseless as waiting until tomorrow morning's newspaper to find out what the weather was like today, because it's traditional to get your news from the physical newspaper.
And this is a rant thread...I'm not generally this cranky.
Just needed to vent for a bit. Probably a result of trying to explain to my mom why you shouldn't just click "Yes" every time a pop-up window appears when using IE. 
- That big hollywood blockbuster that comes out on July 4th? Do you think it's finished on May 4th and then just sits in a can for 2 months? No, they're working on it right up to the last minute. Same with video games, and most other forms of entertainment these days. Only TV (which has a set distribution schedule), books (which are dying as a business enterprise precisely because they cling to the old ways) and some musical acts are stuck pre-1995.
- Yes, there are a whole bunch of things that the band/machine can be doing now...none of which involves working on the actual album or is preventing it from being released. Art? The NLOTH cover was released Jan 15th. Rehearsals? Has to wait until the album is done anyway. Tour prep? Willie's been quoted as having been working on the plans since last spring, all the way through early recording (a typical U2 practice back as far as ZooTV). Promotion? Do you really think anything has happened in the last week--or will in the next week--that would reach a broader audience than the story "U2 says f-it, album is done, it's up on iTunes tonight at midnight"? They aren't just going to drop it off in the bargain bin at Sam's Club and not tell anyone...it would be the biggest story in all media--consumer and straight news, not just music media--if it happened.
This entire process is filled with things that are traditionally done in the gap between album completion and physical distribution. Because, decades ago, the technology of that process mandated that there was a gap there. But the technology has changed. And following the same traditions now is as senseless as waiting until tomorrow morning's newspaper to find out what the weather was like today, because it's traditional to get your news from the physical newspaper.
And this is a rant thread...I'm not generally this cranky.
Just needed to vent for a bit. Probably a result of trying to explain to my mom why you shouldn't just click "Yes" every time a pop-up window appears when using IE. Fair enough. Let it be The Vox. Just so long as you don't call me anything else behind my back y'all
Everybody seems to forget that Radiohead had no record deal when they released In Rainbows, then signed a contract and released a physical copy anyway. Still in shops.
If U2 had done such a thing they would have been slaughtered. "We already payed for the download, for the special edition - and now we heve to buy it again."
All bands selling in huge numbers need a record company for distribution. And it's not just the music, it's also the packaging (including booklet). And the record company doesn't earn from free (legal or illigal) downloads.
If it's available for free too early (leak or stream), way before it's available for purchase, many people won't buy it when it comes available. Mayby Boots in the UK illustrates this: it was on the radio and on the website but you couldn't buy it. Sales are now just soso if I'm to believe this board.
On a sidenote: I'm very curious about the magazine edition. Will it truly look like a magazine? Will they sell it through magazine outlets? That would be a huge innovation I think? Think of all the music magazines with free cd's every month. Could be one of those!
If U2 had done such a thing they would have been slaughtered. "We already payed for the download, for the special edition - and now we heve to buy it again."
All bands selling in huge numbers need a record company for distribution. And it's not just the music, it's also the packaging (including booklet). And the record company doesn't earn from free (legal or illigal) downloads.
If it's available for free too early (leak or stream), way before it's available for purchase, many people won't buy it when it comes available. Mayby Boots in the UK illustrates this: it was on the radio and on the website but you couldn't buy it. Sales are now just soso if I'm to believe this board.
On a sidenote: I'm very curious about the magazine edition. Will it truly look like a magazine? Will they sell it through magazine outlets? That would be a huge innovation I think? Think of all the music magazines with free cd's every month. Could be one of those!
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I assure you, and I say this from working in the movie industry, the movie sits in the can for months. They DO NOT get to work on it up until the last minute.
pearl jam does the same thing, only without the early free release. they have no record contract... they sign a distribution deal once they're ready for release, it's a one time deal, and then they're not locked into anything else after that.
Exactly, why do you think when the big movie star is on Leno or Letterman promoting their movie that just came out they are always asked the question "what are you working on now?" well I'll tell you why, because they've wrapped up the current one months ago.
Niceman
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Yep. Movies sometimes sit in the can for a year or more. The studios understand that perfectly timing the release is as important to them making money as it actually being any good!
I work in the industry too...the only movies that sit in a can are those that are A) pushed back to a more favorable window (for award season, or to avoid another tentpole movie landing the same weekend); B) not believed in by the current leadership at the studio (greenlit under prior management, tested poorly, needing re-shoots, etc.); C) not a big, blockbuster, tentpole movie.
The distribution systems is also completely different: there's no theater that we all need to gather at to experience the new album at the quality level the artists desire; no window of time to be booked amongst other releases for the same physical space; no 50-75% financial drop-off in ticket sales after that first opening weekend...
The exact same digital files that'll be on the discs that come out March 3rd (or Feb 25th in Japan, etc.) are done and available right now. I would like to buy them. They only thing preventing me is the "traditional" gap between completion and distribution, which doesn't have to be there anymore.
The distribution systems is also completely different: there's no theater that we all need to gather at to experience the new album at the quality level the artists desire; no window of time to be booked amongst other releases for the same physical space; no 50-75% financial drop-off in ticket sales after that first opening weekend...
The exact same digital files that'll be on the discs that come out March 3rd (or Feb 25th in Japan, etc.) are done and available right now. I would like to buy them. They only thing preventing me is the "traditional" gap between completion and distribution, which doesn't have to be there anymore.
BVS
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Where are you getting this information from? Many movies sit for a couple of months, even including post production. And then many have release date changes. But why are you comparing movies to albums? Once a movie is done the work is done, once an album is done the work just begins...
But you're basing this on what YOU want and not the band. Maybe they need the time to just decompress they are close to giving up their lives for a year and a half or more. And yes, U2 still want to promote, so it all still has to coincide with the release date. This is not just a U2 thing, every band does this...
Why don't you give me an example of a band that finished the album and put it out the next week...
Earnie Shavers
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I work in the film industry as well, and it does goes both ways. Some post production does literally run up till the release date. Recently 'Australia', for example, only just squeaked it in. But at the same time, yes, I saw a film yesterday that was completely finished, has been for some time, but is not being released until September.
Edit: mwheelonh gives better examples.
Edit: mwheelonh gives better examples.
Reggie Thee Dog
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Are we seriously still dealing with these kind of threads...
I mean the one last night "U2 won't leak it because they're greedy" is no different than this one...
I'm sure that U2 wants to put up huge album sells...like AC/DC did with their last album...it's kinda what they got into the business for. C'mon U2 hasn't been considered an 'indie' or 'underground' band since "The Unforgettable Fire" album...25 years ago...and I'm sure they're really NOT interested in returning there either...
BVS
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See at least now you are being honest...
It's done, I want it, who cares about your other needs u2...
Except that would leave no time for "PROMOTION"
shart1780
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Trent Reznor Finished a single and uploaded it onto the net a few hours later.
BVS
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But she doesn't need promotion she already knows she wants to buy it and that's all she cares about...
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