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Q Magazine snippets - now Consolidated (Pics added 12/29/08 & 1/1/09)
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It could also mean the end of music.
Yes--exactly. Those albums have some great songs and (with ATYCLB at least) occasionally some shorter-term flow. (I also put ATYCLB much higher than HTDAAB, and I think the Eno/Lanois influence probably has a lot to do with that--one of many reasons I'm very excited for NLOTH.)
The main (convoluted) points I was trying to make are that: 1) looking for NLOTH to be another (insert any U2 album title here) in sound OR spirit is a faulty starting point, and 2) this U2 album could still be a masterpiece even if it takes ideas/sounds from UF, JT, AB, Pop + new sounds. So much of what makes U2 great has little to do with the nitty gritty breakdown of the music, but rather by what they are able to emote. Obviously these things are completely intertwined, but the final judging point has to be how the music ultimately makes you feel--not how many solos Edge played, how much delay he used, etc, etc. In the end, many fans consider JT their favorite record even though it was built off of the new sounds developed on UF. NLOTH is going to be built off of many of their albums/sounds. As they said in the interviews, they've learned a lot and are starting to put it all together.
Now I'm just rambling. I need new news.
Gonna Run 2 U
New Yorker
I am willing to bet its get your boots on and/or crazy tonight.
What makes you say that? I would actually assume Breathe was one of them as it's been something they've been blasting for a while, but it's also something they were putting a lot of time and changes into right near the end. I think they had a "complete" version of the song carry over but probably felt like it didn't fit into the rest of the album. GOYB could be the same story. If Clip 5 is Crazy Tonight, I'd guess that is a newer one because it sounded so unfinished. However, Brian doesn't like that track so it could be a carry over.
PowerSurge
New Yorker
Yeah...seemed like it. Art professors can be very "poetic" at times...or at least they try to be. This one was pretty cool. We all used to bring beer and wine into our studios at night when we did our work and he didn't mind. A couple times he joined us with a bottle of his own and painted with us. Good times!
PowerSurge
New Yorker
Well didn't Edge mention that he wrote the chords to the chorus of Stand Up when he was working with Rubin? If so, then there's ONE of the two songs that survived.
Not necessarily--he wrote those chords in October of 2008 (Right?).
PowerSurge
New Yorker
I don't think so.
Go back and reread the Edge part of the article. He said that when he and Bono went to California for some Women's conference hosted by Maria Swarsz...Schwart....Swa (The Gubernator's wife) that Edge went to play with some blues legend and ended up writing the chords then with Rubin. I could be wrong...so i might just have to reread it.
Yes, that's the part I'm referring to--I'm pretty sure Q gave the date as October (of 2008). My understanding was that since he was in town and since they are probably friends/friendly, Edge decided he'd bring a new song over to Rick and get his thoughts (2 months ago). While talking to Rick about it, he got the idea to write new chords for the chorus.
Yeah, I just checked. It says October 2008. So this song could have been written in between 2006 and 2008, and Edge just wanted to get Rick's thoughts on it.
popacrobat
Rock n' Roll Doggie FOB
I think they all have their excellent moments in them. There's no reason that just because they're older, they can't churn out a classic.
PowerSurge
New Yorker
Really?
Well then, that would put the nix on the rumor that they parted with Rubin in a bad way...wouldn't it?
Yes, it definitely would. It sounds like the way the band described the split was actually the truth. It shows how cynical people can be--many assumed that the band's description of the parting was euphemistic for what was actually an ugly break-up. I was a bit dubious myself.
PowerSurge
New Yorker
I think that was one of a couple of overblown issues with the band lately.
The other was the whole supposed Larry/Bono rift over Tony Blair and George Bush. Total bullshit. You're talking about two old friends with extremely deep ties that run much deeper than any political affiliation. Funny how the media is trying to play it up as something really serious when in reality its obviously nothing close to that.
EXACTLY!!
Unfortunately, along with the good work Q is doing, we will be treated to a significant amount of overplay in the drive to sell publications from them and other outlets. I will try and take the good w/ the bad, but the Larry rift is completely overblown and unnecessary. He has strong opinions on the Iraq war, Bono shares them. He just believes that working with Bush or Blair on other important issues like poverty and development is the way to get things accomplished, and I happen to agree. The example I always use is if you own a bar and dont like the Mayor because of some policy, you will still work with him to get a liquor license. Blair controlled the money at the time, so you work with him. It wasn't like Bono was defense minister or Larry was speaking out against Bono's many accomplishments, he was just saying it made him feel somewhat uneasy.
Sorry to ramble, overblown, expect more of it!
popacrobat
Rock n' Roll Doggie FOB
My Barnes and Noble said within a week of it's UK release, but another one that I called said one to two weeks. It just depends on your local store, but typically it looks like at least a week wait. And I believe it came out Tuesday? in the UK.
PowerSurge
New Yorker
EXACTLY!!
Unfortunately, along with the good work Q is doing, we will be treated to a significant amount of overplay in the drive to sell publications from them and other outlets. I will try and take the good w/ the bad, but the Larry rift is completely overblown and unnecessary. He has strong opinions on the Iraq war, Bono shares them. He just believes that working with Bush or Blair on other important issues like poverty and development is the way to get things accomplished, and I happen to agree. The example I always use is if you own a bar and dont like the Mayor because of some policy, you will still work with him to get a liquor license. Blair controlled the money at the time, so you work with him. It wasn't like Bono was defense minister or Larry was speaking out against Bono's many accomplishments, he was just saying it made him feel somewhat uneasy.
Sorry to ramble, overblown, expect more of it!
Spot on dude! ramble on!
Actually Bono did worse than that. He specifically went on the record to say these men were well-intentioned, when they in fact weren't. They simply don't care about the Middle East. It's like saying you care about teaching someone else's child to swim and just throwing them in the water without protection.EXACTLY!!
Unfortunately, along with the good work Q is doing, we will be treated to a significant amount of overplay in the drive to sell publications from them and other outlets. I will try and take the good w/ the bad, but the Larry rift is completely overblown and unnecessary. He has strong opinions on the Iraq war, Bono shares them. He just believes that working with Bush or Blair on other important issues like poverty and development is the way to get things accomplished, and I happen to agree. The example I always use is if you own a bar and dont like the Mayor because of some policy, you will still work with him to get a liquor license. Blair controlled the money at the time, so you work with him. It wasn't like Bono was defense minister or Larry was speaking out against Bono's many accomplishments, he was just saying it made him feel somewhat uneasy.
Sorry to ramble, overblown, expect more of it!
If Bono had just stuck to non-war/human rights issues, it might be okay, but he's gone further to say these were just civilized disagreements. 1980s Bono wouldn't have done that. There was nothing civilized with what Bush and Blair did; they misled people deliberately and with condescension toward the Middle East -- amidst much protest in their country's; Robin Cook resigned from Blair's government in protest, God rest his soul. Blair is a vile piece of garbage and he deserves no respect on these issues.
Hear hear. Larry is a legend. And its the first time he has confidence with an upcoming album, therefore it must be good. Also his comments re Blair, totally correct. He is a WAR CRIMINAL. If HTDAAB had been an album protesting against Bush & Blair (it was still freshly after the invasion), it would have been an antidote album wanted by global populace at the time (should have stuck with the lyric of Native Son).
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LyricalDrug
Rock n' Roll Doggie
I'm sure that Bono-Larry "rift" was orchestrated. You can totally envision Bono telling Larry, "hey man, I realize that in hindsight, it looks bad that I associated so closely with Bush and Blair. U2 has always been strongly supportive of liberal causes, and we need to rekindle our left-wing credentials... what do you say you call me out over the Bush/Blair stuff? It'll help re-position the band, politically."
last unicorn
Blue Crack Addict
The media is overblowing that because the like the drama. It's more interesting than just U2 bringing out a new album. In an almost scandal-free carreer the media, especially tabloid media, need something to bring up against U2 or any of the members, Bono in particular. The tensions between Bono and the rest of the band, especially Larry, are old news, it's not like we just learned about that. The band surely has a mature way of dealing with this stuff, they are four individual beings, all have their different opinions and views, but they have a bond that is stronger than that, and I think that's the most important thing. I don't think they care about what outsiders think because they know best themselves.
What rumour is that ? They always spoke highly of Rubin.
The Larry and Bono "fight" was overblown and taken out of context.
You think Bono doesn't know all that? It all comes down to what he said in the article: once you see the child and mother right before your own eyes, you become willing to sacrifice on their behalf--maybe that means falsely praising Blair and Bush a bit to get money from them. You think Bono isn't aware of the moral issues there? He is. He just prioritized the AIDS victims over his own moral piety. How easy do you think it is to blow off Blair and Bush in 2009? It's become a national pastime already, at least least in the US. The easy thing for Bono would be to say, "these guys are a bunch of bastards and we should criticize them." But he chose an uglier and more difficult path, one that took a lot more balls.
thank god for that. can you imagine him being supportive of Bush and his little pet from the UK and ALSO being a non-smoker. That would have been the final nail in the Bono-coffin for me.
Glad to see he is taking good care of himself and his voice
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