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Old 04-10-2008, 07:23 PM   #436
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Rove or no


Obama most likeley will be the nom

and most likely lose

and I expect McCain to win around 300 electoral votes

Obama will lose by more than Gore, Kerry and perhaps even more than Bush 1 lost to Clinton in 92

As much as I want that to be true, I just don't see it being that big of a margin. I'm curious what you base this off of.
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Old 04-10-2008, 07:29 PM   #437
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there still is no GOP nominee

there are only presumptions


most people believe Obama will be the Dem nom


that's a total cop-out.

there is a virtual GOP nominee,

no one is spending their days and nights slamming McCain with negative ads and wildly dishonest stories about sniper fire.

and there are two Dem candidates, one of whom seems to be laying the groundwork for 2012, no matter the cost.
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and there are two Dem candidates, one of whom seems to be laying the groundwork for 2012, no matter the cost.
2012+ was Obama's Plan A

it is too bad for everyone
that he went for
Plan 9 from Outer Space
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2012+ was Obama's Plan A

it is too bad for everyone
that he went for
Plan 9 from Outer Space


he went for it,

or they went for him?
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Assuming Obama becomes the nominee, I'm interested in seeing how many of the 28% of Hillary supporters actually do switch to McCain.
I think it's going to be a lot less than are actually claiming they'd do so now. It's basically the same as what happened when McCain came back to life and became the frontrunner of the Republican pack. All those cries of right-wingers voting for Hillary before McCain? BS - they'll be voting for McCain.
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I think that 28% are people that are concerned about Obama's lack of experience.

I would vote for Hillary over McCain

I can not say I will vote for Obama in November 2008.
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http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp200...xperience.html

According to that chart, there is very little correlation between the amount of "experience" a candidate had and how good of a president they were

Obama was an elected official before Hillary
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Uh oh another endorsement for Brother McCain:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080406/...recession_dc_2

I think the VRWC is on the move.





You go Greenspank!

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Sorry Diamond.

Using the stock market as an unofficial benchmark, a recession would have begun in March 2000 when the NASDAQ crashed following the collapse of the Dot-com bubble.

A Democrat...yes bill was in charge when the recession began.

And just so you know. A recession is itself is not bad. It corrects the economy. Just like now. It usually comes every 6 to 7 years.

Read some economy books.
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McCain supporters aren't black.
Irvine511,

What an idiotic statement. So you know every one of McCain's supporters and their racial background?

No wonder a republican will be in office again with statements like that.
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This is one reason Obama will never be elected.

http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

United Church of Christ Statement of Faith in the form of a doxology

We believe in you, O God, Eternal Spirit, God of our Savior Jesus Christ and our God, and to your deeds we testify: You call the worlds into being, create persons in your own image,and set before each one the ways of life and death. You seek in holy love to save all people from aimlessness and sin. You judge people and nations by your righteous will declared through prophets and apostles. In Jesus Christ, the man of Nazareth, our crucified and risen Savior, you have come to us and shared our common lot, conquering sin and death and reconciling the world to yourself. You bestow upon us your Holy Spirit, creating and renewing the church of Jesus Christ, binding in covenant faithful people of all ages, tongues, and races. You call us into your church to accept the cost and joy of discipleship, to be your servants in the service of others, to proclaim the gospel to all the world and resist the powers of evil,to share in Christ's baptism and eat at his table, to join him in his passion and victory. You promise to all who trust you forgiveness of sins and fullness of grace, courage in the struggle for justice and peace, your presence in trial and rejoicing, and eternal life in your realm which has no end. Blessing and honor, glory and power be unto you. Amen.

We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.

The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

A congregation committed to ADORATION.
A congregation preaching SALVATION.
A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
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Irvine511,

What an idiotic statement. So you know every one of McCain's supporters and their racial background?
That wasn't a statistical assessment, it was a cheap swipe at deep. The tone of your reply isn't an improvement on that.

Let's keep snide asides out of the discussion please, folks.
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Sorry Diamond.

Using the stock market as an unofficial benchmark, a recession would have begun in March 2000 when the NASDAQ crashed following the collapse of the Dot-com bubble.

No using the stock market, only name recognition.
Greenspan's name carrries clout.

His support is a definite boon any candidate.

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White women begin to turn away from Clinton
David Lightman | McClatchy Newspapers

last updated: April 13, 2008 06:43:52 AM

LEVITTOWN, Pa. — Like many women over 50, Paula Houwen was eager to vote for Hillary Clinton for president.

"I was impressed when she was first lady. She wasn't the country's trophy wife," the 56-year-old suburban Philadelphia pharmacist recalled.

Today, though, Houwen's no longer a Clinton fan.

"I do not like the way Hillary Clinton has run her campaign," she said.

Clinton's strongest core of support — white women — is beginning to erode in Pennsylvania, the site of the critical April 22 Democratic presidential primary, and a loss here could effectively end her White House run.

A Quinnipiac University survey taken April 3-6 in Pennsylvania found that Clinton's support fell 6 percentage points in a week among white women. Nationally, a Lifetime Networks poll of women found that 26 percent said they liked Clinton less now than in January, while only 15 percent said they liked her more.

"These are Democratic women who waited all their lives for a woman president, but Hillary is not turning them on," said polling analyst Clay Richards.

The Clinton campaign is aware of the danger, and last week it began dispatching friends of Clinton from New York, Washington and elsewhere to key Pennsylvania communities to have "living room chats" with women.

"We thought this might happen," senior Clinton adviser Ann Lewis said of the erosion. A key reason, she said, is rival Barack Obama's ad barrage, notably his gentle but persistent reminders to TV viewers that he's well-equipped to heal the ailing economy.

"I can't overcome the media barrage, so we need to go back to talking to people about their personal concerns," said Lewis, "and emphasizing her experience."

Economic concerns are at the top of most women's lists, and "Obama is coming across to more and more people as qualified on that issue," Richards said.

Interviews in suburban Philadelphia, an area full of swing voters who are likely to determine the outcome of the primary, found other reasons for Clinton's shaky support.

A lot of white women, and for that matter white men, want the race to end and increasingly consider Obama an acceptable nominee.

"There may be a general, reluctant acceptance that things just don't look that good for Clinton," said Susan Carroll, a professor of political science and women's and gender studies at Rutgers University.

The most familiar echo among many Pennsylvania women when they discuss Clinton, however, is disappointment. Ask them when they became disillusioned with the woman who would be president, and they can cite almost the exact moment.

For Clare Howard, a meditation teacher from Southhampton, it was the night in January when Bill Clinton suggested that Obama did well in the South Carolina primary because of his race.

That went too far, said Howard, 60. "It was like they would do anything to win," she said.

Joan Schmidt, 60, a school psychologist in Levittown, grew tired of hearing Clinton tout — and exaggerate — her experience.

Jane Dovel, 68, an artist in Doylestown, turned away from Clinton after hearing the New York senator's reaction to Obama's comments that Ronald Reagan had been a "transformative political figure."

Clinton fired back that Republicans hadn't had better ideas. "I don't think it's a better idea to privatize Social Security," she said. "I don't think it's a better idea to eliminate the minimum wage."

That's not what Obama had said, recalled Dovel. "What Clinton said was a blatant lie," she said. "From that moment on, she was history. She was not to be trusted."

Obama's increasing ability to convince these women that he's on their side has contributed to their shift away from Clinton.

Most are old enough to remember John F. Kennedy, and it's common to hear them say how much the Illinois senator reminds them of the young president. "He's definitely someone who knows how to get everyone on board," said Jill Saul, a Bristol teacher.

Howard was struck by how much her three children were impressed with Obama — much the way Democratic youngsters were taken with Kennedy.

"If I ever want to look my kids in the eye again," she laughed, "I have to go with Obama."

The Clinton forces realize that a new trend_ Clinton, after all, still leads Obama among white women by 28 points in the Quinnipiac poll — could quickly become a tidal wave if left unchecked.

So they're planning more living-room visits, closed to the media and not publicized, as a way of reminding people of Clinton's personal qualities.

Clinton is getting to be a tougher sell, though, because a lot of women have thought long and hard about moving away from someone whom they've wanted for a long time.

"If elected, I'm sure she'll do a good job," said Michele Scarborough, a Quakertown borough councilwoman. "But I just don't feel she's one of us."

To read the Lifetime Networks poll, go to:

http://www.mylifetime.com/community/...ates-perceptio

To read the Quinnipiac poll, go to:

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1327.xml?ReleaseID=1165
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U.S. Rep. Geoff Davis, a Hebron Republican, compared Obama and his message for change similar to a "snake oil salesman" [at a Northern Kentucky Lincoln Day dinner].

He said in his remarks at the GOP dinner that he also recently participated in a "highly classified, national security simulation" with Obama.

"I'm going to tell you something: That boy's finger does not need to be on the button," Davis said. "He could not make a decision in that simulation that related to a nuclear threat to this country."

An aide to Davis, Jeremy Hughes, declined to comment on the remark, and didn't dispute the accuracy of the quote.



April 14, 2008
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Davis Apologizes: 'A poor choice of words'

Rep. Geoff Davis, moving to contain the damage of a Saturday night reference to Barack Obama as a "boy" whose finger shouldn't be on the nuclear button, has apologized.

In a letter to Obama, which a Davis aide provided to Politico, Davis apologized for his "poor choice of words."

"I offer my sincere apology to you and ask for your forgiveness," he wrote.

The letter makes no reference to the substance of Davis's remarks, that Obama's behavior in a classified exercise had convinced Davis the Illinois Senator is unready to be president.

"Immediately upon arriving back in Washington, D.C. today, Congressman Davis personally delivered a letter of apology to Senator Obama's office," said Davis campaign manager Jeremy Hughes.
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I saw that. Not surprising coming from a Republican Kentucky congressman (I lived in KY for 8 years).
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