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Old 10-26-2009, 07:04 PM   #106
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In my opinion, when African-Americans use the term "nigger" they're using it in a way that takes away its power and effect. Why is "fuck" a curse word? Because people designated it as such, and use it in a certain context, thus giving it its power. If people one day decided to use "fuck" differently, over time it would lose its meaning.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:22 PM   #107
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To which the social worker replied in a non-nonchalant tone, "Oh, it's a cultural thing."

Now, the principal was in the room but missed this above conversation. She turns to everyone and says, "Did you all hear that?" To which the social worker replied with her earlier comment again. Things got heated. See, the principal of that school is also African-American and she went off on this social worker. She stated that she grew up in the same setting most of the families of this school are in and the use of that word is not something in her families "culture."
Yeah, the "black community" is by no means in agreement that the "n" word is acceptable amongst ourselves. I would suspect that most African Americans feel the way your principal did. For myself, while I understand the use within black culture and I don't find as offensive, I still don't like the word, even if the person who uses it is black. I don't allow my students to use the word under any circumstances.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:23 PM   #108
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Is that you really don't get it or is that you don't want to get it?
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:24 PM   #109
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But unmistakably in a context of invoking a sense of collective responsibility for, and concern about, intra-community problems--as Rock himself says right at the beginning of that brief lampooning of 'broke-ass white people' you were singling out, "But we can't give a fuck about them--we just gotta do our own thing." Think of how many times in that clip he says, "I'm so damn tired of this shit...what the fuck is going on?" That's comically rhetorical, yes, but also dead serious. How often do you think you'll hear Jeff Foxworthy or Ron White going beyond laughing about 'rednecks' to actually appealing to a collective white sense of responsibility for their comic target's social ills? They don't have to, because white people aren't in the position of having to prove to anyone that we aren't typified as a group by criminals and the permanent underclass. The very term "white trash" implies that's it's taken for granted that the 'non-disposable,' i.e. normal, variety of white person is reliably a fine, upstanding sort. Rock's contempt, if that's really the right word, for "niggers" isn't at all the easily afforded variety--the joke sticks in the throat, and that's precisely what charges it up and therefore makes it so funny, in the way that only something which carries these kinds of risks to the one making the joke (and their primary audience) can be.
Ya. I understand this. Its not my point. You people dont seem to think its okay for a white man to laugh at Chris Rock's jokes, which I find to be completely and utterly retarded. I dont expect HyperU2 to say 'I love black people but I hate niggers'. I'm saying that its not unreasonable for him to agree with Chris Rock in that, not all black people are niggers; As a matter of fact, the majority of them are upstanding people, but he hates the kind that Rock has, in this case, labeled niggers. Do you like the black people that shoot up movie theatres or rob their neighbours? I dont. But not any less than I like white people that beat their wives and wear white hoods on their heads. Its a segment of the white population that I'm going to refer to as honkies. I can do that because I'm white. Doesnt mean you cant agree with me if you're not. People get so fucking hung up on words and pussy footing around these situations. Theres a lot of truth behind what Chris Rock is saying. It wouldnt be funny otherwise. And theres absolutely nothing wrong with agreeing with him.


Edit: so I just noticed that HyperU2 used the word nigger in his everyday speech. Thats a completely different matter and he's on his own for that one
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Old 10-26-2009, 08:15 PM   #110
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ONE of Nick Griffin’s most trusted lieutenants sparked fresh outrage last night after he warned British Jews to “show respect” or “reap what you sow when we are in power”.
Lee John Barnes, the BNP’s legal director, produced the outburst as he debated Mr Griffin’s appearance on Question Time.

While Mr Griffin tried to claim his party had ditched its anti-Semitic past, his inept sidekick exposed its true colours on an anti-extremist website. Goading opponents that the BNP had won a massive propaganda coup, he aimed his threats at lawyer David Toube who runs Harry’s Place, the website which campaigns against the BNP and Islamic extremism.

When Mr Toube, one of Britain’s most prominent Jews, told Mr Barnes, 43, not to get “too smug”, the BNP man replied: “That’s fine. Just remember though, ‘You will reap what you sow’.

“The way you treat us now is how we shall treat you in the future. The example you set us is the example we will follow when we are in power.

“The many different pressure points are beginning to converge towards a ‘tipping point’, a moment of political equilibrium when revolutionary social and political change occurs.”

He added: “Best you show us some respect, some day you will want us to respect you.”
Daily Express | UK News :: 'Show respect or reap what you sow when we are in power' BNP bigwig warns Jews
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you like black people fine, you just hate n*ggers.

you explained it well.

i'm sure you're fine with women, jews, gays, latinos, and asians.

it's just too bad when bitches, kikes, faggots, spics, and slopes have to ruin it with their behavior.
This reminds me of a co-worker I once had who said that her parents didn't like black people but that I was okay because I wasn't American or from a specific area of the city. That really made me feel special.
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Old 10-26-2009, 10:19 PM   #112
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the word is that poisonous, and it does matter who says it, and to whom.
Wow. Not sure if it's healthy to carry around that kind of a guilttrip for so long.
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Old 10-26-2009, 10:22 PM   #113
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A fascist is a fascist is a fascist...
Sounds like hyperbole to me. A threat of the 'we will make you pay once we get in power' type is only meaningful if the BNP have a significant chance of rising to power - hardly the case in the immediate future.
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Is that you really don't get it or is that you don't want to get it?
I think it's a little bit of both.

On the Chris Rock album that had this paticular said bit they had little "skits" in between tracks that didn't show up in the live act. One tackled this very exact topic. It was an audience coming out of a Chris Rock show and everyone cheering, laughing, etc and a white guy takes over the conversation and starts talking about how Chris Rock was so funny and so true, and the audience is agreeing with everything he says and then all of the sudden he gets to the n###ers part and says "man he's so right I hate n###ers too" and the audience gets quiet, and then you hear a "oh no you didn't" and then you hear a beat down.

This show came out when I was in college and this skit was used by all the racist frat boys to justify their racism. And it was pure ignorance coupled with an unwillingness to realize their fault.
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Old 10-26-2009, 11:21 PM   #115
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I think it's a little bit of both.

On the Chris Rock album that had this paticular said bit they had little "skits" in between tracks that didn't show up in the live act. One tackled this very exact topic. It was an audience coming out of a Chris Rock show and everyone cheering, laughing, etc and a white guy takes over the conversation and starts talking about how Chris Rock was so funny and so true, and the audience is agreeing with everything he says and then all of the sudden he gets to the n###ers part and says "man he's so right I hate n###ers too" and the audience gets quiet, and then you hear a "oh no you didn't" and then you hear a beat down.
Ya, the joke was that a white guy said 'niggers'. I dont think anyone is arguing the point that non blacks shouldnt use the word (well, maybe theres one person who is arguing that, but thats irrelevant at this point)

And just because a few frat boys use it to justify their actions, it doesnt prove anything. People twist things to suit their own agendas all the time. you know that
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You people dont seem to think its okay for a white man to laugh at Chris Rock's jokes, which I find to be completely and utterly retarded.
I don't think that's the point...

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Ya, the joke was that a white guy said 'niggers'. I dont think anyone is arguing the point that non blacks shouldnt use the word (well, maybe theres one person who is arguing that, but thats irrelevant at this point)

And just because a few frat boys use it to justify their actions, it doesnt prove anything. People twist things to suit their own agendas all the time. you know that
My point was that even Chris Rock says it's OK to laugh at this joke, BUT certain people cannot "own" it and use it as their own(and I don't mean that from a literal copyright standpoint).

I have a very self deprecating sense of humor and it's OK for you to laugh when I say the joke, but if you were to say it to me, it would be an insult. I think that is point some are trying to make...
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Wow. Not sure if it's healthy to carry around that kind of a guilttrip for so long.

yes, please do lecture me on my country's history. Europeans love to do that.
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I don't think that's the point...



My point was that even Chris Rock says it's OK to laugh at this joke, BUT certain people cannot "own" it and use it as their own(and I don't mean that from a literal copyright standpoint).

I have a very self deprecating sense of humor and it's OK for you to laugh when I say the joke, but if you were to say it to me, it would be an insult. I think that is point some are trying to make...
Ok, well thats fair enough. We might be arguing different points then. I just dont think its necessarily racist to agree with some of the points that he makes.
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Ok, well thats fair enough. We might be arguing different points then. I just dont think its necessarily racist to agree with some of the points that he makes.
I know what you are saying, I just think "agree" might be the wrong word. Agree almost infers fact, I mean it is a joke and full of hyperbole and stereotype, so agree may be too strong of a word.

I can make a joke about how when I take off my shirt people have to put on sunglasses, now I would expect you to laugh, but for you to tell me you agree is a different thing.

I hope I'm making sense. I know it may seem like we're arguing semantics, but I do think it's a very important difference.
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Is that you really don't get it or is that you don't want to get it?
You don't get that there is occasionally crime in the ghetto?


Does anyone on here refuse to listen to Elvis Presley Ate America?
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