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Old 11-01-2009, 01:41 PM   #181
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Fair enough. If thats the reasoning, perhaps its a difference between Asian Americans and Asian Canadians?
Yeah, it's a dated and borderline derogatory term in the US. e.g. Census forms list "white" and "black", but no other colors.
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Old 11-01-2009, 02:43 PM   #182
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Most forms I've seen don't say white or black anymore. Usually it's Caucasian and African-American.
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Old 11-01-2009, 02:58 PM   #183
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Just checked the 2010 census form online- white and black are still on there (plus African American).
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Fair enough. If thats the reasoning, perhaps its a difference between Asian Americans and Asian Canadians?
I think maybe your friends are the exception. Canada does have a history of racism against Asians, given the shameful use of internment camps in WW2.

I went to a school with a large Asian population, and many of my friends spoke of themselves and their race in a self-deprecating way. That doesn't mean that I'd be comfortable joining them, nor would they want me to, I'm sure.

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Most forms I've seen don't say white or black anymore. Usually it's Caucasian and African-American.
I know you're referring to forms, but in Canada we have a situation that's unique from the US - the majority of black people here are from the West Indies or the Caribbean (composed of many, many different countries, obviously) as opposed to being from Africa; therefore, a one-size-fits-all label doesn't apply here. I think that's why we generally just say "black" here, unless we explicitly know where the person or their families are from.
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I know you're referring to forms, but in Canada we have a situation that's unique from the US - the majority of black people here are from the West Indies or the Caribbean (composed of many, many different countries, obviously) as opposed to being from Africa; therefore, a one-size-fits-all label doesn't apply here.
I believe the Blacks from the West Indies or the Caribbean are decedents of slaves brought to that region from Africa.
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I believe the Blacks from the West Indies or the Caribbean are decedents of slaves brought to that region from Africa.
Still, I've never heard any of them from that region self-identify as African Canadian. They generally go with their (or their ancestor's) previous homeland just before they came to Canada.
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Old 11-01-2009, 06:17 PM   #187
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Still, I've never heard any of them from that region self-identify as African Canadian. They generally go with their (or their ancestor's) previous homeland just before they came to Canada.
Not just that, but many of them take great offense at you referring to them as African anything. None of my Jamaican friends would take kindly to it.
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Yup, everyone I know from that area is very proud of their Caribbean heritage, and I've never heard them so much as mention Africa.
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I believe the Blacks from the West Indies or the Caribbean are decedents of slaves brought to that region from Africa.
We're all descendants of African populations. It's kinda moot?
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Let's not jump to any conclusions here!

Prof busted in Columbia gal 'punch'

A prominent Columbia architecture professor punched a female university employee in the face at a Harlem bar during a heated argument about race relations, cops said yesterday.

Police busted Lionel McIntyre, 59, for assault yesterday after his bruised victim, Camille Davis, filed charges.

McIntyre and Davis, who works as a production manager in the school's theater department, are both regulars at Toast, a popular university bar on Broadway and 125th Street, sources said.

The professor, who is black, had been engaged in a fiery discussion about "white privilege" with Davis, who is white, and another male regular, who is also white, Friday night at 10:30 when fists started flying, patrons said.

McIntyre, who is known as "Mac" at the bar, shoved Davis, and when the other patron and a bar employee tried to break it up, the prof slugged Davis in the face, witnesses said.

"The punch was so loud, the kitchen workers in the back heard it over all the noise," bar back Richie Velez, 28, told The Post. "I was on my way over when he punched Camille and she fell on top of me."

The other patron involved in the dispute said McIntyre then took a swing at him after he yelled, "You don't hit a woman!"

"He knocked the glasses right off my face," said the man, who would only give his first name as "Shannon." "The punch came out of nowhere. Mac was talking to us about white privilege and what I was doing about it -- apparently I wasn't doing enough."

McIntyre had squabbled with Davis several weeks earlier over issues involving race, witnesses said. As soon as the professor threw the punch Friday, server Rob Dalton and another employee tossed him out.

"It was a real sucker punch," Dalton said. "Camille's a great lady, always nice to everybody, and doesn't deserve anything like this."

Davis was spotted wearing sunglasses yesterday to conceal the black eye. Reached at her Columbia office, she declined to comment on the alleged attack.

McIntyre was released without bail at his arraignment last night.

"It was a very unfortunate event," he said afterwards. "I didn't mean for it to explode the way it did."
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Old 11-11-2009, 01:21 PM   #191
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I think that article from the NYPost clearly sums up all the arguments from both sides of the race debate.


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Having been a member of this forum for several years I can say that five of the above five posters have had racist thoughts and even made racist statements.

OOOHH! I'm one of the five!!! What was mine, WHAT WAS MINE!!!!! Post it please!!! POST IT!!!
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Old 11-11-2009, 01:34 PM   #192
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Let's not jump to any conclusions here!

Prof busted in Columbia gal 'punch'
When I heard this story on Rush today I just knew you were going to post it... even with the same tie in that he tried.

What would be the conclusions you speak of? Rush did a shit job making his point, so what is yours?
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this is what happens ... IN OBAMA'S AMERICA!

you know, in the past, that guy would have been strung up in a tree.

now, it's treated as if it were the same as a white man punching a white woman in the face.

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this is what happens ... IN OBAMA'S AMERICA!

you know, in the past, that guy would have been strung up in a tree.

now, it's treated as if it were the same as a white man punching a white woman in the face.

While I don't always agree with you (actually, I rarely do) - I do appreciate your sarcasm
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Let's not jump to any conclusions here!

Prof busted in Columbia gal 'punch'

A prominent Columbia architecture professor punched a female university employee in the face at a Harlem bar during a heated argument about race relations, cops said yesterday.

Police busted Lionel McIntyre, 59, for assault yesterday after his bruised victim, Camille Davis, filed charges.

McIntyre and Davis, who works as a production manager in the school's theater department, are both regulars at Toast, a popular university bar on Broadway and 125th Street, sources said.

The professor, who is black, had been engaged in a fiery discussion about "white privilege" with Davis, who is white, and another male regular, who is also white, Friday night at 10:30 when fists started flying, patrons said.

McIntyre, who is known as "Mac" at the bar, shoved Davis, and when the other patron and a bar employee tried to break it up, the prof slugged Davis in the face, witnesses said.

"The punch was so loud, the kitchen workers in the back heard it over all the noise," bar back Richie Velez, 28, told The Post. "I was on my way over when he punched Camille and she fell on top of me."

The other patron involved in the dispute said McIntyre then took a swing at him after he yelled, "You don't hit a woman!"

"He knocked the glasses right off my face," said the man, who would only give his first name as "Shannon." "The punch came out of nowhere. Mac was talking to us about white privilege and what I was doing about it -- apparently I wasn't doing enough."

McIntyre had squabbled with Davis several weeks earlier over issues involving race, witnesses said. As soon as the professor threw the punch Friday, server Rob Dalton and another employee tossed him out.

"It was a real sucker punch," Dalton said. "Camille's a great lady, always nice to everybody, and doesn't deserve anything like this."

Davis was spotted wearing sunglasses yesterday to conceal the black eye. Reached at her Columbia office, she declined to comment on the alleged attack.

McIntyre was released without bail at his arraignment last night.

"It was a very unfortunate event," he said afterwards. "I didn't mean for it to explode the way it did."
and it's not a hate crime either..nor is he sexist.

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