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Old 11-16-2008, 12:49 PM   #361
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...and please don't refer to this as the gay dolphin conspiracy..
I'll refer to it as another bigoted and ill-conceived argument, and an offensive one at that. In it you clearly claim that heterosexuals are superior to homosexuals in some ways. And if we're to follow your metaphor literally, then homosexuals are a different species all together. Gays are uniquely different than straights - but they are still human beings deserving of the same rights under the law.

How is it not bigoted to claim that one group of people is inferior to you based solely on an innate part of their identity? How is it not offensive to make a comparison between fish and dolphins (two entirely different species) and heterosexuals and homosexuals?

I would tread very carefully on this line of argument if I were you, diamond.
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many aren't convinced that it is innate.

nor did i claim they were inferior to me or straights.

i never opposed gay unions-and encourage gays cpls to have rights that straights cpls do.

i stop at calling their unions marriage, because theyre not based on their gender.

so, this makes me a bigot?

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Old 11-16-2008, 12:59 PM   #363
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i never opposed gay unions-and encourage gays cpls to have rights that straights cpls do.

i stop at calling their unions a "marriage".

so, that makes me a bigot?
Yes. Supporting separate but equal usually does make one a bigot.
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As much divine as the Catholic pronouncement that we should eat fish on Fridays.
so this says nothing about losing their tax exempt status, onlythat the church had grown in Brazil and President Kimball led the way-and had recieved a revelation that the 12 Apostles also felt the same way.

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many aren't convinced that it is innate.
Many think dolphins are fish, apparently, and they're wrong, too.

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nor did i claim they were inferior to me or straights.
You are correct, and I apologize - you did not make that specific claim. However, the implication that gays and straights are not equal was indeed made. And that, along with your willingness to deny them equal rights over something as simple as the name given to their union, is indeed bigoted.
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I think it is interesting that somehow my marriage has not changed since same sex marriage became legal in MA. It is a miracle, that somehow we have not felt one bit dimished by the fact that the two guys living up the street together, happily married have not impacted my household at all.

Hmmmm
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Hush, Dread. We've got no room for reality checks in here.


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many aren't convinced that it is innate.

nor did i claim they were inferior to me or straights.

i never opposed gay unions-and encourage gays cpls to have rights that straights cpls do.

i stop at calling their unions marriage, because theyre not based on their gender.

so, this makes me a bigot?

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Just because some radicals (including, sometimes, doctors) believe it is not innate doesn't make it true. It's been proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be true. It is innate.

Why is separate but equal suddenly OK?

Do you not agree that it was a failure last time we used it?
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Old 11-16-2008, 02:14 PM   #369
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I think it is interesting that somehow my marriage has not changed since same sex marriage became legal in MA. It is a miracle, that somehow we have not felt one bit dimished by the fact that the two guys living up the street together, happily married have not impacted my household at all.

Hmmmm
On this issue, Massachusetts is about as irrelevant as Canada. Best to save your logic as there's no place for it on the Internets.
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Many think dolphins are fish, apparently, and they're wrong, too.



You are correct, and I apologize - you did not make that specific claim. However, the implication that gays and straights are not equal was indeed made. And that, along with your willingness to deny them equal rights over something as simple as the name given to their union, is indeed bigoted.
Actually, by me compaing gay unions to dolphins..would by and large make their unions superior to regular marriages .



That said, I recognize gays to be unique, not inferior. My intent was to never diminish or sleight them.

Lastly I appreciate the fact that Dolphins are not fish and are superior to them. However, no matter how long one tries to persuade me that they are fish, I will remain unconvinced-the same principle applies to marriges and gay unions.

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That said, I recognize gays to be unique, not inferior. My intent was to never diminish or sleight them.
Yet you're perfectly comfortable denying them the equal protection guaranteed by the Constitution.
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many aren't convinced that it is innate.

And so what if it isn't innate? Your religion isn't innate, yet you're given equal protection under the Constitution.
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Yet you're perfectly comfortable denying them the equal protection guaranteed by the Constitution.
How so, because I won't call a gay matrimonial union-a "marriage"?

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How so, because I won't call a gay matrimonial union-a "marriage"?

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Because you're so worried about that word that you supported a proposition that took it all away.
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