amniar said:And I think this thread needs the word "gay" a few more times.
The video wasn't "gay." It was too "hetero." That's why it failed. Heterosexuals suck at being cool or fashionable. Period.
Melon
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amniar said:And I think this thread needs the word "gay" a few more times.
U2Kitten said:
I'm also tired of the 'Pop is daring and now they're safe' bullshit. Look, these guys were in the studio for 3 years, they said they were going to rock, they said it was punk rock made on Venus, what you got IS what was in them, they are NOT holding back or being 'safe.' This is what U2 is, on the inside. If you don't like it maybe you are not as much of a fan as you think. U2 have NEVER played to the current market and they have always been successful. They are not putting out something they think will sell. They are putting out what came out of four guys in a studio over 3 years. Like it or leave it alone, there is no evil, 'safe' anti-Pop plot behind it! Pop was what was in them in 1997. This is what is in them now.
ponkine said:Pop is far better than all this ATYCLB I and II and better than all this commercial and cheap hype.
jick said:If you ask some people in this board, there is nothing wrong with POP. I think you should just ask U2 instead.
jick said:What is wrong with POP? Well, any fan can give all kinds of reasons what makes it wrong or not wrong. So it's better to take it from the horses' mouths:
"Unfinished." - Bono
"Unifinished." - Mullen
"Disjointed." - Eno
"Comparative flop." - McGuiness
POP spawned 6 singles (Discotheque, SATS, LNOE, IFWSHA, Mofo, Please), 3 of them (or 50%) had single versions, showing the band weren't contented with the album versions. Yet despite having 6 singles, only two of these singles (or 33% of the POP singles) made it to the Best of 1990-2000. And both songs, plus another POP song ("Gone") were all remixed for the Best Of collection for a 100% remix average.
It is clear that U2 have issues with POP. They almost released every song as a single in a desperate hope to find a song that will click with the public (none did). To save face, they even tried released a non-single ("Gone") in the Best Of 1990-2000 collection because all the other singles failed to make a impression on anyone.
Now that latest rumor is that U2 plan on making a POP Finished album.
If you ask some people in this board, there is nothing wrong with POP. I think you should just ask U2 instead.
Cheers,
J
cardosino said:
To add further fuel to the fire, interesting that on most shows on the last tour, U2 was playing more stuff from JT or UF than they were Pop, unheard of for such a major band to completely disregard their last major work on a tour.
for the more "cultured" and more "sophisticated" European audiences who "got" Pop......
cardosino said:
To add further fuel to the fire, interesting that on most shows on the last tour, U2 was playing more stuff from JT or UF than they were Pop, unheard of for such a major band to completely disregard their last major work on a tour.
Even for the more "cultured" and more "sophisticated" European audiences who "got" Pop......
U2Kitten said:
Did you ever consider that was because Pop was their most recent past tour, and they didn't want to rehash it? They probably won't do much ATYCLB on this tour for the same reason.
cardosino said:
Normally, they do play a decent amount of more recent material. So they're OK with rehashing AB/JT songs, or playing I will Follow for the zillionth time but they can't play more than 1 or 2, sometimes zero songs from their last album ? Not like them at all.
amniar said:
Not sure what concerts you were at. Discotheque, Staring at the Sun, Gone and Wake Up Dead Man were pretty regular on the tour. Even Please got a few outings. As for UF... Pride and Bad and... er.... A Sort of Homecoming a few times maybe. JT? We had WOWY, Streets and Bullet. That was about it. Maybe ISHFWILF a couple of times.
cardosino said:Discotheque was dropped fairly early on, only played sporadically. Gone was gone by the 3rd leg. Wake, SATS and Please were also very sporadic. No one song from Pop other than Gone on the 1st 2 legs was anywhere near to being a regular in the set.
From UF, Bad and Pride were there almost every night. So they are choosing to play songs from 84 more often than 97.
From JT, WOWY was there first 2 legs. Streets and Bullet were there all 3 legs. Again, significantly more regular appearances than songs from Pop.
cardosino said:
Discotheque was dropped fairly early on, only played sporadically. Gone was gone by the 3rd leg. Wake, SATS and Please were also very sporadic. No one song from Pop other than Gone on the 1st 2 legs was anywhere near to being a regular in the set.
From UF, Bad and Pride were there almost every night. So they are choosing to play songs from 84 more often than 97.
From JT, WOWY was there first 2 legs. Streets and Bullet were there all 3 legs. Again, significantly more regular appearances than songs from Pop.
amniar said:
I still find your argument ridiculous as well as factually questionable. You are singling out five of their biggest hits ever and saying "well they play them more than the 1997 hits, which obviously shows they hate Pop".
Piffle.
melon said:
That's what the fans want, after all.
Melon
blueyedpoet said:um, it seems that since a wide variety (meaning five or six different tracks) was played from Pop during the Elevation tour that this might suggest the album has a better over-all quality than UF.
blueyedpoet said:also i think that the pop atmosphere didn't really fit in with the Elevation/ATYCLB feel. Maybe that's why the live versions of the Pop songs that were played were different than the studio versions. [/B]
melon said:
The video wasn't "gay." It was too "hetero." That's why it failed. Heterosexuals suck at being cool or fashionable. Period.
Melon
jick said:
"Comparative flop." - McGuiness
POP spawned 6 singles (Discotheque, SATS, LNOE, IFWSHA, Mofo, Please), 3 of them (or 50%) had single versions, showing the band weren't contented with the album versions. Yet despite having 6 singles, only two of these singles (or 33% of the POP singles) made it to the Best of 1990-2000. And both songs, plus another POP song ("Gone") were all remixed for the Best Of collection for a 100% remix average.
J
ponkine said:Pop is far better than all this ATYCLB I and II and better than all this commercial and cheap hype.