D'oh! said:I think ATYCLB will remain a bigger success than HTDAAB in USA, but in the UK Bomb will overtake ATYCLB.
STING2 said:
Yep, my estimate for what Media Traffic numbers are is close to what you have. I estimate that BOMB's total sales as tabulated by media traffic are about 7,250,000.
I wish they would update the "all time" chart.
STING2 said:In December of 2001, Billboard Magazine reported that ATYCLB had reached the 10 million mark. At the start of December 2001, ATYCLB had sold 3,085,000 copies in the United States and would not cross the 4 million mark in Europe until February of 2002. From Soundscan figures, we know that ATYCLB has sold over 1.1 million copies in the United States since December of 2001. Additional sales in the United States alone since December 2001 would put ATYCLB at over 11.1 million copies sold worldwide. Crossing the 4 million mark in Europe in February 2002 plus additional sales in Europe since that time, plus all other global sales since December 2001 would put the album at roughly 12 million worldwide.
NoControl said:
Maybe to retailers but not to consumers.
STING2 said:It is to retailers. It is possible to get precise(100%) sales to retailers or shipments, but sales to consumers at best in places like the United States and United Kingdom with Soundscan will only record at most, 90% to 95% of sales to consumers. Not all retail stores, even in the United States and United Kingdom, are equipped with soundscan. The percentage of sales tracked by soundscan technology gets even smaller as you look at the developing markets and thirdworld markets. Sales to consumers for ATYCLB are probably around 11.5 million to 11.7 million at this point but its impossible to know the exact figure.
NoControl said:
Maybe to retailers but not to consumers.
NoControl said:
I'll take Billboard's figure over your conjectured, fudging the facts data. The rest of the 5-10% is extrapolated - you know that.
Dima said:sales figueres are ALWAYS referred to retailers..."sales to consumer" actually means nothing for the "book of records" and other than this only a few countries have a soundscan-like system.
beLIEve said:It is Billboard that has to use conjectured, fact-fudged data because of an imperfect data collection system. Most industries suffer from the same problem, especially if the product is sold around the globe. Albums, especially U2 albums, are about as "global" as it gets.
We deal with the same issue at my company, which is why we go on what we KNOW IS TRUE - how much product have we shipped? Why? Because we sell them to retailers. We don't take them back. They will sell them their way. If they have too many, then they can discount the product.
BTW, if we knew there were 500,000 "products" in the field but had sales of 10M+ in the last 5 years, then it wouldn't be an issue, it would be normal. We NEVER know, though, because not all retailers have a good way of tracking sales. Some smaller outlets don't track it all, at least not in a way it can be reported back to the Producer. Same thing goes for the record industry.
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NoControl said:
You can cloud the issue all you want. And most of what you've said above I already know. But it's a fact that AYCLB sold 10.8 Million copies worldwide, as of January 2005.
Trying to tell me something about the music industry is like showing me what 1+1 equals. You need to read my post history...
fedeu2 said:You say it yourself before, 10,8 million copies sold to CONSUMERS.
So, the 12 million figure shipped that sting2 is referring to is very plausible in my eyes. And we all know that what really matters are sales to retailers, i.e., shipped copies. That´s what RIAA is all about.
Same story with Bomb, acutal sales to consumers are nearly 8 million copies worldwide to date. Yet, as far as the record company is concerned, the album has sold 9 million copies, again, considering shipped copies.
NoControl said:
The RIAA only certifies album in the US. And HTDAAB hasn't sold anywhere near 8 Million copies to consumers yet - it's at less than 7.5 Million right now. It will have by the end of the Spring though.
NoControl said:
The RIAA only certifies album in the US. And HTDAAB hasn't sold anywhere near 8 Million copies to consumers yet - it's at less than 7.5 Million right now. It will have by the end of the Spring though.
ùNoControl said:
That's just not true. And you know it.