u2 360 Boxscore

[Moggio]

1. The El Paso show is NOT a central market for New Mexico. Its a market outside the state although it is much closer than Denver or Phoenix.

2. More importantly, when looking at fans traveling distances that require in this a case a 7 to 8 hour drive, you now must consider travel cost, overnight lodging cost, and more food cost. This adds probably an average of $200 dollars per person in addition to the ticket price. Bottom line, the major determinent in whether the fans will travel to the show or not is not actually the PRICE of the ticket in this case since the travel, food, and over night lodging already exceed the cost of of the ticket, whether its a $30 dollar ticket or a $179 dollar ticket. In addition, there is another factor which fans traveling this distance must consider which is TIME. This pushes the consideration of the price of the ticket even further down the list.

3. Finally, your the one that stated that 15% of New Mexico's Stones fans would travel to Denver.

Why are you bringing up The Stones' 2006 El Paso show? I was trying to answer your Albuquerque "what if" scenario. Maybe you should try quoting me correctly?

Straddle the fence all you want, enough can be inferred from what you stated.

I'm not straddling the fence. There seriously isn't enough info to make a definitive statement/decision about The Stones' demand level in NM.

Here is the Rolling Stones Colorado boxscore from 1981:

The Rolling Stones - Tattoo You Tour
October 3-4, 1981
Boulder, Colorado
Folsom Field
GROSS: $1,920,000
ATTENDANCE: 120,000
SHOWS: 2
SELLOUTS: 2
Average Ticket Price: $16.00

GROSS adjusted for dollar inflation into 2005 dollars:

GROSS: $4,106,587


The fact of the matter is, the Denver market used to be a Stones stadium market, multiple stadiums in this particular case. Today it is only a single arena show market. Denver is still a stadium market for U2, but its no longer one for the Stones based on recent results.

You don't seem to understand the definition of stagnation. The FACT is The Stones' Denver demand level has basically stagnated since the mid 90s, not plummeted. Here's the Denver Voodoo Lounge tour boxscore:

The Rolling Stones
September 15, 1994
Denver, CO
Mile High Stadium
Gross: $2,570,574
Attendance: 48,981
Average Ticket Price: $52.48

 

[Moggio]

Most of your questions are not rational nor are they logical. Your predictions are often embarrassingly off and to justify the discrepancy, you use two main arguments: strategic scheduling and openers bringing in an average of 10%. Your initial U2 360 prediction was $400 million. You then changed it to $600 million because of " strategic scheduling" (these two predictions were for the tour not the artist, so openers do not factor in). Therefore, you feel that strategic scheduling was responsible for a 50% increase in the gross revenue that U2 360 brought in.

So I will repeat my request for the 5th time..... If strategic schedule on a large scale is a new model in the touring industry, according to you, and it increased U2 360s gross by 50%..... find us an article that describes this revolutionary new business model.

I have also requested that you provide an article on the 10% average contribution that U2s openers contribute to their shows.

We are waiting............

ALL of my points are backed up with perfectly logical explanations and evidence. BUT ONCE AGAIN, YOU'VE ALREADY ADMITTED YOU DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE CONCERT BUSINESS, yet you think you have the authority to criticize me? Why is that?

Maybe if you'd answer the questions I asked you WEEKS AGO, I'd take the things you've stated seriously. But at least for now, I don't...

 

[U2FanPeter]

Listen you can argue the disingenuous argument all you want. But I know some of the architects involved in this project. Logic WILL win. Whenever you are ready, I'll be there.

The flickr photo "album" is from the 18th/19th row or so, of 20, on that balcony. The front walkways are visible in all photos as is the area where the band spend 90% of their time.

U2 > FanCam
The fan cam from Bono's mainstage POV show those seats with a view of the areas where the band spend most of their time. The fancam also illustrate how those nosebleed seats were some of the last to sell/fill up come showtime - perhaps due to all the stairs/ramps.

My question is how it's "obvious" how a vertical section of seats(rather than vertical chunk blocked by a claw) cannot be sold when it didn't occur at any of the other 90 something stadiums so far visited. A half dozen stadiums having comparable bad angles for balcony rear stage tickets. I'd also like to know how when surveyers(advance computers or week of/in-person handheld lasers?) decided exact stage placement they chose to give preference to a tiny number of GAs over a couple thousand blacony seats. As shown by Bono's comments at Gaints stadium, they like the bragging rights of beating springsteen and pope attendance records.

Also, why have none of the schematics/blueprints made available in advance of the 2009 shows or recent date specific t-shirts shown balcony blcoked off. Some of the early ones had vertical sections blocked off, but they sold them with sufficiant demand.

 

[Moggio]

Biggest tour ever, all thanks to Snow Patrol.

Don't forget Florence and the Machine!!

Nothing like The Fray.

Absolutely! Oh and don't forget The Black Eyed Peas, Muse, Jay Z, Lenny Kravitz, Arcade Fire, Carney, Glasvegas, Interpol, Kaiser Chiefs, The Hours, Elbow, Springbok Nude Girls, Kasabian, Razorlight, OneRepublic, Amadou & Mariam, Aviv Geffen, Douglas Vale, Damien Dempsey, Republic Of Loose, Bell X1, The Script & Moonalice. Oh and of course, we can't forget strategic scheduling!

 

[Moggio]

Sorry, wrong answer - jury bias has nothing to do with not being able to back up your evidence with sources. I really couldn't care less which side of this argument is correct. I've got no dog in this race. And you can make all the claims you want - claims that support your argument well. For all I know you may be correct in asserting that there is compelling evidence to support your claims. But if you can't back those claims up with independent & verifiable sources (and if it is compelling evidence, I would think there would be multiple sources as well), then your claim of "compelling evidence" is hollow in regards to this discussion.

Sorry, right answer. Because if you had been paying attention (which you more than obviously haven't), you'd know I've backed up EVERY single point I've made with perfectly logical explanations and compelling evidence. And at least, to me, compelling evidence is evidence that VERY OBVIOUSLY shows what actually happened. In fact, I could get even more specific by analyzing the demand levels of EVERY single U2 market in the North America, dating back to the early 80s, for starters. But of course, the U2 fanboys in this thread would continue denying every single word of it...

I'll give you another helpful hint: you've been banned before. It's not a good idea to continue giving moderators attitude.

I'll also give you another helpful hint: I don't like hypocrites and people who get off on power trips.

 

[coolian2]

you'd know I've backed up EVERY single point I've made with perfectly logical explanations and compelling evidence.

where?

 

[Moggio]

where?

In this very thread. That's where. But since you aren't paying attention, you wouldn't know...

 

[coolian2]

In this very thread. That's where. But since you aren't paying attention, you wouldn't know...

in between you drawing extremely long bows about the opening acts, calling us all liars and fanboys, i must have missed it.

Biggest tour ever, all thanks to Snow Patrol.

sums it up really.

 

[Moggio]

Here are the Rolling Stones A Bigger Bang Totals for the United States/Canada and then for North America as a whole. In general North America as whole just means the inclusion of Mexico because U2 and the Rolling Stones have never played anywhere from Panama to Belize or on islands in the caribbean sea that are independent countries.


Rolling Stones - A Bigger Bang Tour - North American results:

GROSS: $300,628,363
ATTENDANCE: 2,219,918
average gross: $3,666,200
average attendance: 27,072
average ticket price: $135.42
shows: 82
sellouts: 71

Rolling Stones - A Bigger Bang Tour - United States/Canada results:

GROSS: $292,673,443
ATTENDANCE: 2,139,776
average gross: $3,658,418
average attendance: 26,747
average ticket price: $136.87
shows: 80
sellouts: 70

Rolling Stones - A Bigger Bang Tour - Mexican results:

GROSS: $7,954,920
ATTENDANCE: 80,142
average gross: $3,977,460
average attendance: 40,071
average ticket price: $99.26
shows: 2
sellouts: 1

Rolling Stones - A Bigger Bang Tour - Canadian results:

GROSS: $42,556,683
ATTENDANCE: 392,797
average gross: $4,728,520
average attendance: 43,644
average ticket price: $108.34
shows: 9
sellouts: 9

Rolling Stones - A Bigger Bang Tour - United States results:

GROSS: $250,116,760
ATTENDANCE: 1,746,979
average gross: $3,522,771
average attendance: 24,605
average ticket price: $143.17
shows: 71
sellouts: 61

U2 360 has crushed the Stones Mexican results, will easily beat their Canadian results, but will likely only be about 80% of the United States results.

More comparisons between a NON-HEAVILY strategically scheduled tour and a HEAVILY strategically scheduled tour.

Bravo!

 

[Moggio]

in between you drawing extremely long bows about the opening acts, calling us all liars and fanboys, i must have missed it.

Where did I call all of you liars?

So, let's add misquotes to the pile, along with ignoring evidence...

sums it up really.

Ignoring a MOUNTAIN of evidence does sum it up...

 

[Vlad n U 2]

Moggio, you should get drunk to some Rush or something. You need to loosen up, maaaan.

 

[KhanadaRhodes]

Moggio, you should get drunk to some Rush or something. You need to loosen up, maaaan.

that just makes me think of this:
YouTube - ‪Family Guy- Cheetos Cheetah‬‏

 

[spookyz]

Absolutely! Oh and don't forget The Black Eyed Peas, Muse, Jay Z, Lenny Kravitz, Arcade Fire, Carney, Glasvegas, Interpol, Kaiser Chiefs, The Hours, Elbow, Springbok Nude Girls, Kasabian, Razorlight, OneRepublic, Amadou & Mariam, Aviv Geffen, Douglas Vale, Damien Dempsey, Republic Of Loose, Bell X1, The Script & Moonalice. Oh and of course, we can't forget strategic scheduling!

Now that I've shown that Snow Patrol (27 shows) could not have contributed more than 1-2% maximum, let's take a look at Interpol.

Here's their 2011 tour schedule in Europe (outside Uk/Ireland):

11.12.2010Lisbon Campo Pequeno•Lisbon
Tickets11.13.2010Palacio Vistalegre•Madrid
Tickets11.14.2010San Jordi Club•Barcelona
Tickets11.16.2010Dock Du Sud•Marseille
Tickets11.17.2010Palasharp•Milan
Tickets11.18.2010Gasometer•Vienna
Tickets11.20.2010Tempodrom•Berlin
Tickets11.21.2010Heineken Music Hall•Amsterdam
Tickets11.22.2010Westfalenhalle 2•Dortmund
Tickets03.03.2011Docks•Hamburg
Tickets03.06.2011Sentrum Scene•Oslo
Tickets03.07.2011Cirkus•Stockholm
Tickets03.08.2011KB Hall•Copenhagen
Tickets03.10.2011Aueensee•Leipzig
Tickets03.11.2011Rokhall•Luxembourg
Tickets03.12.2011Kesselhaus•Munich
Tickets03.14.2011Komplex•Zurich
Tickets03.15.2011Zenith•Paris
Tickets03.16.2011Lotto Arena•Antwerp

I'm not going to look up all venue capacities, but these venues are all similar to where Snow Patrol (or even the same) played in 2009. Average attendance should be around 2,000-4,000.

Here we have a boxscore from Belgium (which by the way accounts for 1.1% of what U2 360° have grossed in Brussels with Interpol opening).

Interpol
Lotto Arena
Antwerp, Belgium
March 16, 2011
$164,940
5,197 /
5,409
1 /
0
$41.84, $34.87

Average ticket price: $32
Assuming that all Intepol shows sold out, they should have ended up grossing $128,000 on average (4,000*$32 = $128,000)

U2 grossed $9,311,224 on average in the markets Interpol opened for them. According to you (ober 5%), Interpol must have contributed at least $465,561 per market, yet the highest they can gross anywhere in Europe is $128,000, which accounts for 1.4% of what U2 360° have grossed in the markets Interol opened for them. As always, keep in mind that this was after Interpol's popularity increased by playing to huge U2 crowds. Additionally, demand for their own shows is much higher, for reasons already mentioned in this thread. So, Interpol might have contributed less than 1% to the shows in Europe!

As for North America, I think boxscores from the markets Interpol will open for U2 speak for themselves:

Interpol, School of Seven Bells Riviera Theatre
Chicago, Ill.
Feb. 12, 2011
$72,500
2,500 /
2,500
1 /
1
$29
Jam Productions

Interpol, School of Seven Bells
Metropolis
Montreal, Quebec
Feb. 16, 2011
$72,222
2,186 / 2,250
1 / 0
$35.43, $32.90
evenko/Greenland Productions

156 Interpol, Twin Tigers, The Postelles House of Blues
Atlantic City, N.J.
July 31, 2010
$28,741
841 /
2,370
1 /
0
$37.50, $32.50
House of Blues/C3 Presents/Harrah’s

115 Interpol, School of Seven Bells Radio City Music Hall
New York, N.Y.
Feb. 17, 2011
$212,452
5,396 /
5,961
1 /
0
$45.50, $41, $35, $25
The Bowery Presents

Bottom line: Interpol does not contribute more than 0.5%-1.5% to the U2 360° gross figures in the markets they opened for U2 in Europe and North America.

Almost half of the 360° shows had openers that contributed 0.5%-1.5% to the totals (Snow Patrol 27 shows; Interpol 17 shows).

 

[spookyz]

According to Pollstar, U2 missed the number 1 spot by over 40 million in the list of top touring acts of 2010.

http://www.pollstarpro.com/files/Charts2010/2010YearEndTop50WorldwideConcertTours.pdf

We all know that Pollstar used estimates for both, U2's an Bon Jovi's Australian tours. Now that we have all U2 and Bon Jovi boxscores, here's the real top 3 of 2010:

#1
Bon Jovi
Gross: $196,960,698
Attendance: 1,922,962
Average Gross: $2,462,009
Average Attendance: 24,037
Shows: 80
Average Ticket Price: $102

#2
U2
Gross: $192,420,951
Attendance: 1,813,221
Average Gross: $6,013,155
Average Attendance: 56,663
Shows: 32
Average Ticket Price: $106

#3
AC/DC
Gross: $177,000,000
Attendance: 1,820,962
Average Gross: $4,425,000
Average Attendance: 45,524
Shows: 40
Average Ticket Price: $97

 

[CosmoKramer]

Now that I've shown that Snow Patrol (27 shows) could not have contributed more than 1-2% maximum, let's take a look at Interpol.

Here's their 2011 tour schedule in Europe (outside Uk/Ireland):

11.12.2010Lisbon Campo Pequeno•Lisbon
Tickets11.13.2010Palacio Vistalegre•Madrid
Tickets11.14.2010San Jordi Club•Barcelona
Tickets11.16.2010Dock Du Sud•Marseille
Tickets11.17.2010Palasharp•Milan
Tickets11.18.2010Gasometer•Vienna
Tickets11.20.2010Tempodrom•Berlin
Tickets11.21.2010Heineken Music Hall•Amsterdam
Tickets11.22.2010Westfalenhalle 2•Dortmund
Tickets03.03.2011Docks•Hamburg
Tickets03.06.2011Sentrum Scene•Oslo
Tickets03.07.2011Cirkus•Stockholm
Tickets03.08.2011KB Hall•Copenhagen
Tickets03.10.2011Aueensee•Leipzig
Tickets03.11.2011Rokhall•Luxembourg
Tickets03.12.2011Kesselhaus•Munich
Tickets03.14.2011Komplex•Zurich
Tickets03.15.2011Zenith•Paris
Tickets03.16.2011Lotto Arena•Antwerp

I'm not going to look up all venue capacities, but these venues are all similar to where Snow Patrol (or even the same) played in 2009. Average attendance should be around 2,000-4,000.

Here we have a boxscore from Belgium (which by the way accounts for 1.1% of what U2 360° have grossed in Brussels with Interpol opening).

Interpol
Lotto Arena
Antwerp, Belgium
March 16, 2011
$164,940
5,197 /
5,409
1 /
0
$41.84, $34.87

Average ticket price: $32
Assuming that all Intepol shows sold out, they should have ended up grossing $128,000 on average (4,000*$32 = $128,000)

U2 grossed $9,311,224 on average in the markets Interpol opened for them. According to you (ober 5%), Interpol must have contributed at least $465,561 per market, yet the highest they can gross anywhere in Europe is $128,000, which accounts for 1.4% of what U2 360° have grossed in the markets Interol opened for them. As always, keep in mind that this was after Interpol's popularity increased by playing to huge U2 crowds. Additionally, demand for their own shows is much higher, for reasons already mentioned in this thread. So, Interpol might have contributed less than 1% to the shows in Europe!

As for North America, I think boxscores from the markets Interpol will open for U2 speak for themselves:

Interpol, School of Seven Bells Riviera Theatre
Chicago, Ill.
Feb. 12, 2011
$72,500
2,500 /
2,500
1 /
1
$29
Jam Productions

Interpol, School of Seven Bells
Metropolis
Montreal, Quebec
Feb. 16, 2011
$72,222
2,186 / 2,250
1 / 0
$35.43, $32.90
evenko/Greenland Productions

156 Interpol, Twin Tigers, The Postelles House of Blues
Atlantic City, N.J.
July 31, 2010
$28,741
841 /
2,370
1 /
0
$37.50, $32.50
House of Blues/C3 Presents/Harrah’s

115 Interpol, School of Seven Bells Radio City Music Hall
New York, N.Y.
Feb. 17, 2011
$212,452
5,396 /
5,961
1 /
0
$45.50, $41, $35, $25
The Bowery Presents

Bottom line: Interpol does not contribute more than 0.5%-1.5% to the U2 360° gross figures in the markets they opened for U2 in Europe and North America.

Almost half of the 360° shows had openers that contributed 0.5%-1.5% to the totals (Snow Patrol 27 shows; Interpol 17 shows).

Very interesting and compelling facts.

 

[roy keane]

For heavens sake Moggio, rest the bloody case. You are beyond ridiculous. Whether you are most boring troll ever or simply stupid, just give it up. Please.
Aviv Geffen, fucking hell!

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

Why are you bringing up The Stones' 2006 El Paso show? I was trying to answer your Albuquerque "what if" scenario. Maybe you should try quoting me correctly?

I'm not straddling the fence. There seriously isn't enough info to make a definitive statement/decision about The Stones' demand level in NM.



You don't seem to understand the definition of stagnation. The FACT is The Stones' Denver demand level has basically stagnated since the mid 90s, not plummeted. Here's the Denver Voodoo Lounge tour boxscore:

The Rolling Stones
September 15, 1994
Denver, CO
Mile High Stadium
Gross: $2,570,574
Attendance: 48,981
Average Ticket Price: $52.48

Once upon a time, the Stones soldout stadiums in Colorado. These days, they can't sellout a single arena show in a 270 configeration.

From selling 120,000 tickets on their 1981 tour to only selling 15,000 tickets in 2005! Thats a huge difference regardless of what you want to say about ticket prices gross etc.

In terms of attendance, the Stones are seeing the lowest numbers of their career in Colorado. U2 on the otherhand is seeing the highest attendance numbers of their career in Colorado on the current tour.

Florida and Georgia have also weakend for the Stones as well.

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

Absolutely! Oh and don't forget The Black Eyed Peas, Muse, Jay Z, Lenny Kravitz, Arcade Fire, Carney, Glasvegas, Interpol, Kaiser Chiefs, The Hours, Elbow, Springbok Nude Girls, Kasabian, Razorlight, OneRepublic, Amadou & Mariam, Aviv Geffen, Douglas Vale, Damien Dempsey, Republic Of Loose, Bell X1, The Script & Moonalice. Oh and of course, we can't forget strategic scheduling!

I look foward to how your going to explain why Madonna failed to beat U2 360 when she tours once again, probably in 2013.

If the Stones don't announce their next tour as their last or at least promote it that way, its unlikely they will be able to top U2 360 once they tour again.

I'd love to see the Stones play ALL STADIUMS, but the fact is they can't, which is why you won't see that on the next tour. The Stadium crown officially belongs to U2. All these half full stadiums on their last leg in Europe has made the Stones shy about playing them again.

Playing to only 33,000 at Soldier Field obviously was not an inspiration either.

 

[The_acrobat]

The 360 tour could've gone on to gross even more and brought in even more people were it not restricted by it's size and difficulty to transport/assemble, stadium availability, time constraints. Also, U2/management's fear of playing to not sold out crowds is a hinderence.

Possible additions to the 360 tour:
- Cincinnati. Cleveland and Columbus wouldn't work for this tour. Paul Brown Stadium in Cincy is in the low 60,000 capacity range. Cincy is within a 2-3 hour drive from Columbus, Indianapolis, Louisville, Lexington, Dayton. Could've probably sold it out with "Stratetgic scheduling" and "strategic pricing". Would've been less than 2 hours from my house, thus my ranting.
- Additional Boston show 2011. Market would be recharged enough by now to support another near sold out show.
- 3rd Chicago (7/5/11) show could've probably been split into 2 shows: one in Indianapolis and another in Wisconsin somewhere.
- Peru (even Oasis played to 45,000+ here in 2009)
- Sao Paulo could've taken another show. Possibly 2 shows in other Brazilian cities.
- Adelaide, Australia could've sold out a show
- Wellington or Christchurch NZ would've supported a show
- Possible Asian tour with Tokyo, Osaka, South Korea, Hong Kong, Singapore, Thailand, India, UAE, Egypt and Israel.
- Had the 9/8/2010 Budapest show actually happened.
- 2nd show in Vienna would've sold well.
- 3rd show in Horsens would've sold well, given the small capacity of the venue.

Potential 2011 Europe leg:
- Dublin (2-3 shows at new stadium. The fact that it's U2, in Ireland, at a brand new stadium would make it a huge sell).
- UK shows: Edinburgh, Manchester, Coventry, London- 1 show each
- 2 shows in the Netherlands somewhere
- 1 show in Norway
- 1 show in France somewhere other than Paris, although Paris would probably sell out again too.
- 1 show in Madrid ?
- 1 show in Romania... was previously rumored
- 1 show in former Yugoslavia area, like Belgrade, or a possible return to Sarajevo?

I'm convinced that the 3rd Europe leg didn't happen only because there wasn't a new album this year. This would've easily added another 20 shows to the 360 tour. I could also throw in some places like New Orleans, Kansas City, Iowa, Saskatchewan, Buffalo, Honolulu, 2nd Oakland show, Oregon, additional shows in Italy/Germany, but those would probably be pushing it. Of course, I never would've thought Norman, OK or Charlottesville, VA would be getting a 360 stadium show from U2.

 

[CosmoKramer]

BUT ONCE AGAIN, YOU'VE ALREADY ADMITTED YOU DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE CONCERT BUSINESS, yet you think you have the authority to criticize me? Why is that?

Why is that, you ask? Well you asked for it:

Let's start with failed prediction #1

Moggio wrote: Salt Lake City - Rice Stadium (47,000/26,000/$1.7 million/$65)
Actual total: Salt Lake City - Rice Stadium (47,710/47,710)/$3.0 million/$63)

So Moggio was an astounding 76.5% off of the gross!

This is why we criticize you.

 

[CosmoKramer]

BUT ONCE AGAIN, YOU'VE ALREADY ADMITTED YOU DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE CONCERT BUSINESS, yet you think you have the authority to criticize me? Why is that?

why is that, you ask?

Let's go with failed prediction #2

Moggio wrote: Denver - Invesco Field (75,000/57,000/$3.7 million/$65)
Actual total: Denver - Invesco Field (77,918/77,918/$6.6 million/$85)

So Moggio was an astounding 78.4% off of the gross!

This is why we criticize you.

 

[Diemen]

I'll also give you another helpful hint: I don't like hypocrites and people who get off on power trips.

hyp•o•crite

1. A person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2. A person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

Your use of the word hypocrite certainly doesn't fit in this instance. Care to explain further?

 

[Moggio]

Now that I've shown that Snow Patrol (27 shows) could not have contributed more than 1-2% maximum, let's take a look at Interpol.

Here's their 2011 tour schedule in Europe (outside Uk/Ireland):

11.12.2010Lisbon Campo Pequeno•Lisbon
Tickets11.13.2010Palacio Vistalegre•Madrid
Tickets11.14.2010San Jordi Club•Barcelona
Tickets11.16.2010Dock Du Sud•Marseille
Tickets11.17.2010Palasharp•Milan
Tickets11.18.2010Gasometer•Vienna
Tickets11.20.2010Tempodrom•Berlin
Tickets11.21.2010Heineken Music Hall•Amsterdam
Tickets11.22.2010Westfalenhalle 2•Dortmund
Tickets03.03.2011Docks•Hamburg
Tickets03.06.2011Sentrum Scene•Oslo
Tickets03.07.2011Cirkus•Stockholm
Tickets03.08.2011KB Hall•Copenhagen
Tickets03.10.2011Aueensee•Leipzig
Tickets03.11.2011Rokhall•Luxembourg
Tickets03.12.2011Kesselhaus•Munich
Tickets03.14.2011Komplex•Zurich
Tickets03.15.2011Zenith•Paris
Tickets03.16.2011Lotto Arena•Antwerp

I'm not going to look up all venue capacities, but these venues are all similar to where Snow Patrol (or even the same) played in 2009. Average attendance should be around 2,000-4,000.

Here we have a boxscore from Belgium (which by the way accounts for 1.1% of what U2 360° have grossed in Brussels with Interpol opening).

Interpol
Lotto Arena
Antwerp, Belgium
March 16, 2011
$164,940
5,197 /
5,409
1 /
0
$41.84, $34.87

Average ticket price: $32
Assuming that all Intepol shows sold out, they should have ended up grossing $128,000 on average (4,000*$32 = $128,000)

U2 grossed $9,311,224 on average in the markets Interpol opened for them. According to you (ober 5%), Interpol must have contributed at least $465,561 per market, yet the highest they can gross anywhere in Europe is $128,000, which accounts for 1.4% of what U2 360° have grossed in the markets Interol opened for them. As always, keep in mind that this was after Interpol's popularity increased by playing to huge U2 crowds. Additionally, demand for their own shows is much higher, for reasons already mentioned in this thread. So, Interpol might have contributed less than 1% to the shows in Europe!

As for North America, I think boxscores from the markets Interpol will open for U2 speak for themselves:

Interpol, School of Seven Bells Riviera Theatre
Chicago, Ill.
Feb. 12, 2011
$72,500
2,500 /
2,500
1 /
1
$29
Jam Productions

Interpol, School of Seven Bells
Metropolis
Montreal, Quebec
Feb. 16, 2011
$72,222
2,186 / 2,250
1 / 0
$35.43, $32.90
evenko/Greenland Productions

156 Interpol, Twin Tigers, The Postelles House of Blues
Atlantic City, N.J.
July 31, 2010
$28,741
841 /
2,370
1 /
0
$37.50, $32.50
House of Blues/C3 Presents/Harrah’s

115 Interpol, School of Seven Bells Radio City Music Hall
New York, N.Y.
Feb. 17, 2011
$212,452
5,396 /
5,961
1 /
0
$45.50, $41, $35, $25
The Bowery Presents

Bottom line: Interpol does not contribute more than 0.5%-1.5% to the U2 360° gross figures in the markets they opened for U2 in Europe and North America.

Almost half of the 360° shows had openers that contributed 0.5%-1.5% to the totals (Snow Patrol 27 shows; Interpol 17 shows).

Why do you KEEP ignoring my responses? AGAIN, not only are your totals and averages WAY OFF, but you're CONVENIENTLY not considering the nearby markets that weren't hit by Interpol and Snow Patrol, which of course increases their demand as well. As as well the fact that MOST of the venues you posted from their European tour schedule are ARENAS. They're each contributing FAR more than 1%.

Also, I NEVER said Interpol were an arena act in North America. And U2 aren't playing Atlantic City, yet post a boxscore from this market? Why?

WE'VE ALREADY BEEN OVER PROBABLY A HALF A DOZEN TIMES, YET YOU KEEP IGNORING MY RESPONSES.

You're just as bad as CosmoKramer and Maoil.

 

[U2FanPeter]

Also, U2/management's fear of playing to not sold out crowds is a hinderence.

I"m still surprised how Phoenix & Norman ended up in the first round of US shows. Both exceeded my expectations, but they had sparse/unused balcony sections.

 

[Moggio]

Very interesting and compelling facts.

 

[Moggio]

For heavens sake Moggio, rest the bloody case. You are beyond ridiculous. Whether you are most boring troll ever or simply stupid, just give it up. Please.
Aviv Geffen, fucking hell!

Come back to this thread when you get a clue, will ya?

 

[Moggio]

Once upon a time, the Stones soldout stadiums in Colorado. These days, they can't sellout a single arena show in a 270 configeration.

From selling 120,000 tickets on their 1981 tour to only selling 15,000 tickets in 2005! Thats a huge difference regardless of what you want to say about ticket prices gross etc.

In terms of attendance, the Stones are seeing the lowest numbers of their career in Colorado. U2 on the otherhand is seeing the highest attendance numbers of their career in Colorado on the current tour.

Florida and Georgia have also weakend for the Stones as well.

ONCE AGAIN...GROSS determines demand, not attendance. And hence their demand hasn't plummeted in Denver...or in Florida or Georgia...

 

[Moggio]

I look foward to how your going to explain why Madonna failed to beat U2 360 when she tours once again, probably in 2013.

As long as the criteria we agreed on is in place, that's not going to be the case.

If the Stones don't announce their next tour as their last or at least promote it that way, its unlikely they will be able to top U2 360 once they tour again.

Definitely not. As you already know, in the vast majority of markets, their demand increases EVERY. SINGLE. TOUR. So, all they'd need to do is heavily strategically schedule and carefully select the right openers...

I'd love to see the Stones play ALL STADIUMS, but the fact is they can't, which is why you won't see that on the next tour. The Stadium crown officially belongs to U2. All these half full stadiums on their last leg in Europe has made the Stones shy about playing them again.

I've love to see U2 charge an AVERAGE of anywhere from $140-$300 per show in stadiums, without strategic scheduling and fill them in the majority of markets they'd hit...

Playing to only 33,000 at Soldier Field obviously was not an inspiration either.

That's because that was their THIRD trip through Chicago in 13 MONTHS. In fact, that's pretty damn good, actually. And I can't think of ANY active touring artist today that could pull that in Chicago, considering it would've been their THIRD trip through Chicago in as many months as well...

 

[Moggio]

The 360 tour could've gone on to gross even more and brought in even more people were it not restricted by it's size and difficulty to transport/assemble, stadium availability, time constraints. Also, U2/management's fear of playing to not sold out crowds is a hinderence.

Possible additions to the 360 tour:
- Cincinnati. Cleveland and Columbus wouldn't work for this tour. Paul Brown Stadium in Cincy is in the low 60,000 capacity range. Cincy is within a 2-3 hour drive from Columbus, Indianapolis, Louisville, Lexington, Dayton. Could've probably sold it out with "Stratetgic scheduling" and "strategic pricing". Would've been less than 2 hours from my house, thus my ranting.
- Additional Boston show 2011. Market would be recharged enough by now to support another near sold out show.
- 3rd Chicago (7/5/11) show could've probably been split into 2 shows: one in Indianapolis and another in Wisconsin somewhere.
- Peru (even Oasis played to 45,000+ here in 2009)
- Sao Paulo could've taken another show. Possibly 2 shows in other Brazilian cities.
- Adelaide, Australia could've sold out a show
- Wellington or Christchurch NZ would've supported a show
- Possible Asian tour with Tokyo, Osaka, South Korea, Hong Kong, Singapore, Thailand, India, UAE, Egypt and Israel.
- Had the 9/8/2010 Budapest show actually happened.
- 2nd show in Vienna would've sold well.
- 3rd show in Horsens would've sold well, given the small capacity of the venue.

Potential 2011 Europe leg:
- Dublin (2-3 shows at new stadium. The fact that it's U2, in Ireland, at a brand new stadium would make it a huge sell).
- UK shows: Edinburgh, Manchester, Coventry, London- 1 show each
- 2 shows in the Netherlands somewhere
- 1 show in Norway
- 1 show in France somewhere other than Paris, although Paris would probably sell out again too.
- 1 show in Madrid ?
- 1 show in Romania... was previously rumored
- 1 show in former Yugoslavia area, like Belgrade, or a possible return to Sarajevo?

I'm convinced that the 3rd Europe leg didn't happen only because there wasn't a new album this year. This would've easily added another 20 shows to the 360 tour. I could also throw in some places like New Orleans, Kansas City, Iowa, Saskatchewan, Buffalo, Honolulu, 2nd Oakland show, Oregon, additional shows in Italy/Germany, but those would probably be pushing it. Of course, I never would've thought Norman, OK or Charlottesville, VA would be getting a 360 stadium show from U2.

...and then you finally woke up!

 

[Moggio]

Why is that, you ask? Well you asked for it:

Let's start with failed prediction #1

Moggio wrote: Salt Lake City - Rice Stadium (47,000/26,000/$1.7 million/$65)
Actual total: Salt Lake City - Rice Stadium (47,710/47,710)/$3.0 million/$63)

So Moggio was an astounding 76.5% off of the gross!

This is why we criticize you.

This show was underbooked. I've already stated that. It was one of the dozen or so markets worldwide that were underbooked on the Vertigo tour.

why is that, you ask?

Let's go with failed prediction #2

Moggio wrote: Denver - Invesco Field (75,000/57,000/$3.7 million/$65)
Actual total: Denver - Invesco Field (77,918/77,918/$6.6 million/$85)

So Moggio was an astounding 78.4% off of the gross!

This is why we criticize you.

Have you ever heard of HEAVY STRATEGIC SCHEDULING?

Anyways, once the schedule for the first two legs of 360 tour had been released and before any openers were announced, my overall prediction was that U2 would gross about $600 million from 100 shows, tops. Considering they've added 10 more shows than they originally planned, this means they'll gross about $660 million. And once the final numbers are released in August, my prediction will be very close to the actual result, minus their opener's draw of course...