VintagePunk
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MsGiggles said:
does it matter to you either way what I think?
Wow. Nice response.
I thought this was a discussion forum. I was just asking what you thought of the two options. Sorry.
MsGiggles said:
does it matter to you either way what I think?
Justin24 said:I can't believe people out there support that a criminal who commited 4 murderes should still have a right to live. Hitler murdered 6 Million Jews and millions of prisoners, Gypsies, and homosexuals, Stalin murdered more people than Hitler, and Clinton killed thousands and did Bush. So if they were arresested do you think they desereve the death penalty.
Justin24 said:
Melon you said we played god on who should live and who should die. Well isn't that the same thing as abortion. The child has no say if he/she wants to live.
VintagePunk said:
Question - are you more opposed to the cost of feeding and housing a prisoner for life than you are to placing them on death row, and incurring the even greater costs of seeing them through the appellate process before they are finally executed?
nbcrusader said:
That is a problem with our justice system. The appellate process takes far too long and covers years of inaction. More often than not, the various appeals filed have no basis in fact.
nbcrusader said:
That is a problem with our justice system. The appellate process takes far too long and covers years of inaction. More often than not, the various appeals filed have no basis in fact.
BonoVoxSupastar said:Do you think we would have as many appeals bogging up the system if only life sentences were used?
nbcrusader said:
Perhaps not, but I'd hate to think dishonest lawyers would have that great an impact on society.
But, I'm kidding myself. Dishonest lawyers place a large financial drain on society.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
So wait, all appeals in capital punishment cases are dishonest?
financeguy said:I don't have much sympathy for this guy Tookie considering what he did and the gang he spawned
nbcrusader said:
I didn't say that. But take a look at the appeals filed over the last few days in Tookie's case. Interesting how "new evidence" is found in the last 72 hours.
MrsSpringsteen said:
I understand that completely, but I also don't believe that people who didn't think he should get the death penalty necessarily had sympathy for him either. Maybe some did, I don't know. I think the two can be mutually exclusive.
In Schwarzenegger's hometown of Graz, local Greens said they would file a petition to remove his name from the southern city's sports stadium. A Christian political group went even further, suggesting it be renamed the "Stanley Tookie Williams Stadium."
nbcrusader said:
financeguy said:
That article seems to quote only left wing opinion in Europe, surely they should also have asked conservative political parties for their view.
nbcrusader said:
Isn't this just another form of vengence?
nbcrusader said:I just quoted the article title.
trevster2k said:I was wondering for all the people who support the death penalty? Do you think that innocent people have been executed or sit on death row awaiting execution?
nbcrusader said:
That is really not a question about the death penalty, but a question about the soundness of our legal system.
Agntbk007 said:Good riddance Tookie. It's a shame you messed your life up so bad, but the punishment fits the crime and I won't be shedding any tears for you.
Oh, and the comments about Arnold having blood on his hands over this is beyond ridiculous. You see this is a society of laws. Tookie here broke some of the most important laws of the land. Here the people have decided that the death penalty is a legitimate punishment for certain crimes. Took had his trial, was found guilty, and the people decided what his punishment should be. It's not Arnold's job to come in and alter it at the last minute.
Oh and saying that Tookie should be granted clemency because he was nominated for a nobel peace prize is also a joke. There is basically no criteria whatsoever for nobel peace prize nominations. Hell, Yasser Arafat actually won the damn thing and there aren't a whole lot of people who were more deserving of the death penalty than him in the last 30 years.
BrownEyedBoy said:
I agree on this.
If it's the law, it's the law. And if that was the punishment for the crimes he commited than that's what he deserves.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
So we're not allowed to question our government? We're not allowed to question the means of punishment?
That's ridiculous. Might as well go back to public hangings if that's your mentality.
nbcrusader said:
I guess we've clearly define the polarity of this issue. Perhaps an interesting question would be "on what basis should a death row inmate receive clemency?"
nbcrusader said:
That is really not a question about the death penalty, but a question about the soundness of our legal system.
Are there people in prison who are innocent? If so, how do you refine the system to reduce the number of innocents jailed without freeing the guilty?
trevster2k said:
To answer your question, yes, there are hundreds if not thousands of people wrongly convicted of crimes for a variety of reasons. The solution would be correcting inequalites and ensuring fairness in the legal system but you can't legislate fairness, no cops with a beef, removal of the inability to afford competent representation, no pre-conceived notions of juries, etc. But at least a person convicted for theft or assault doesn't get the ultimate punishment as a result of the mistake.
Irvine511 said:
and let's not forget the inherent racism of the death penalty.
blacks are far, far more likely to be sentenced to death for the same crimes than whites.
Irvine511 said:
and let's not forget the inherent racism of the death penalty.
blacks are far, far more likely to be sentenced to death for the same crimes than whites.