Hollow Island
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Did he? Can you explain?
there's an earlier, Danger Mouse produced version that leaked last year. the album version is better.
Did he? Can you explain?
I know "Accessible" and "dumbed down" aren't technically equal but I consider them pretty much synonymous with each other
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Did he? Can you explain?
there's an earlier, Danger Mouse produced version that leaked last year. the album version is better.
Ah ok. I don't know that version. Is there anwhere I can listen to it?there's an earlier, Danger Mouse produced version that leaked last year. the album version is better.
Why do you say "last year" ? When talking about the "other" version of EBW?
I have a feeling that none of the albums that were hugely important or are regarded as the best - late 60s Beatles, millennial Radiohead, mid 60s Dylan, Joy Division, Exile on Main St, the Velvets, Berlin Bowie, prime U2, etc - were made with "accessibility" in mind.
Thanks for the clip - that might rightly be called an alternative mix - but the essence of Tedders work is in there already ...
If one claims that Tedder improved the song you should compare it to a version untouched by Ryan Tedder. That is the reason why I posted the 2010 version with the other chorus .. without the "if you gooo" line which was brought in by Tedder as far as I know
That is the reason why I posted the 2010 version with the other chorus .. without the "if you gooo" line which was brought in by Tedder as far as I know
What are you basing Tedder is helping them write on?
My memory of interviews in RS/Q/MOJO etc.
My personal truth was that the 2010 Version was U2 (maybe danger mouse) and the SOI Version was Tedder with the new chorus.
I could be totally wrong of course.
I just want to know how Tedder improved EBW as Hollow Island claimed.
My memory of interviews in RS/Q/MOJO etc.
My personal truth was that the 2010 Version was U2 (maybe danger mouse) and the SOI Version was Tedder with the new chorus.
I could be totally wrong of course.
Well there is no evidence that Tedder has helped in songwriting, he even clarified as much in an interview prior to SOI release and said he was only producing.
"I just asked them, 'Is it cool if I just butcher this thing?'" says Tedder, who alternated between joining U2 in the studio and working remotely on tracks. "And they were like 'Do your worst. Go for it.'" He added a new chorus melody, turned the old chorus into a bridge and sent it back to the bandmates.
"Songwriting: Melody"
You will learn to:
create memorable melodies
I don't know if you accept this as evidence , but as I now recall this Rolling Stone interview from May 2015 ... that sounds more than "only producing"
U2: Trying to Throw Their Arms Around the World | Rolling Stone
Ok, I guess i see what you're referring to, at first you mentioned him adding a line, but no I wouldn't consider this song-writing.
California is not linked lyrically to the rest of the record whatsoever. It sticks out like a sore thumb thematically.
An album about growing up in Dublin and the music they listened to and their first breaks as musicians... to a song about their first trip to California, which occurred after Boy had already been released?
Cederwood Road? RBW? Are certainly not bland.Anyway, I like that album but I really don't want U2 to make a more "accessible" version of it. That adjective is poison when it comes to music. And SOI is pretty fucking bland already.
I think you'd be a fool to believe that artists don't think about the "accessibility" of their art in some form or fashion, it's just not cool to talk about.
Of course it's in mind. No one creates an album, movie, or book and thinks I don't care if anyone gets this. If you didn't crave an audience you would never seek a delivery device.
We have this romantic notion of our artists not giving a fuck and somehow because they're just genius that we flock to their art. Should "accessibility" guide their art? No. But don't fool yourself into thinking it's not thought about.
Cederwood Road? RBW? Are certainly not bland.
And Iris is certainly not bland lyrically!
Raised by Wolves is watered down War;
He hung a poster of Wham! In the studio and made U2 record a new version of the song while staring at it
Or maybe it's not a concept album at all. Some of the songs stick to the concept, but half of them could fit on any U2 album lyrically and deal with standard U2 subjects and platitudes. EBW is the biggest offender to me - it' clearly a very adult song.
Cedarwood is the kind of slightly groovy rocker they've been making since Achtung.
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Those are all excellent songs but they're pretty standard U2 songs. Raised by Wolves is watered down War; Cedarwood is the kind of slightly groovy rocker they've been making since Achtung.
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