zoney!
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nbcrusader said:Class warfare isn't necessary.
A quote from the wealthy!
nbcrusader said:Class warfare isn't necessary.
U2Kitten said:The government could help by implementing rules that forced businesses to run differently, but you never hear them say that because BOTH parties are funded by them and they are going to kiss their asses. As long as we are stuck with the 2 party system nothing is going to change.
U2Kitten said:And what is Kerry going to do to stop it? NOTHING just like everyone else.
U2Kitten said:And what is Kerry going to do to stop it? NOTHING just like everyone else. It's not a political thing, it's social and business trends. It's been going sour for over 25 years now, regardless of who's in office (though the 80's were more profitable times in many ways)
I don't disagree this is happening, I think it's worse than most of you believe. What I'm saying is acting like Kerry is going to wave a magic wand and make it go away is unrealistic. Regardless of who is elected in November, we working class dogs are fucked.
nbcrusader said:The same arguments were raised during the Reagan administration and they proved to be false. Tax cuts are not an instant solution (as if there really is one). But they do strengthen the economy in the long run. It is easy to say “tax the wealthy” because they are not inherently a sympathetic group (but they have done nothing wrong except earn large salaries).
Regarding services you receive - I would examine the way your local governments spend their money before concluding that the tax cuts are the reason that fees are increased. Agencies have their own agendas and may not always be acting in your best interest. Besides, do you think funneling the money through the government is the most efficient means of paying for services? Sometimes it is more efficient to pay for services at the local level, instead of watching your tax dollar go through various agencies, levels of government and administrative infrastructure before getting to you.
I face many of the same struggles you do with paying for children's activities. Every fall, between fund-raisers and requests for direct support, we are asked to pay $$ to help education. Still, I prefer to write a check (when I can) to a classroom instead of having it taxed out of my paycheck and hope it trickles down in the right place.
U2Kitten said:I'm really surprised to hear Kerry doesn't like free trade, it's a big liberal cause. I don't believe he'll do anything to stop the outsourcing because the big corporations like it and they have the lobbyists to get their way, the little guy doesn't.
U2Kitten said:Well personally I like the tax cuts and I don't want them taken away.
Klaus said:U2Kitten
Besides the lovely tax-cuts everyone should remember that someone has to pack back the debts the current administration is creating (well i guess it will be the burden of our children)
Originally posted by BostonAnne
If we had a swelling surplus and social security was all set, I think it would be time for tax cuts. It doesn't make sense to me to cut taxes and build up debt.
U2Kitten said:
But the money could be more wisely spent too. I'm tired of the ordinary citizen always being the one to suffer and make sacrifices while gaining nothing. (and I don't just mean 'this administration!') (damn I'm so sick of that phrase 'this administration' )
U2Kitten said:
We are now suffering for the mistakes of our parents and grandparents. Our kids will suffer for their mistakes. That's the way it goes
kobayashi said:
thats the kind of complacency a government loves
U2Kitten said:What I'm saying is, why should we have to be the ones to suffer and have everything on our backs? I am already suffering and have a family to raise and I'm not looking forward to any more hardships so somebody 100 years from now can feel better, sorry.
kobayashi said:
wow. thats really sad.
there are viable courses of action executed by modern western governments to create budget surpluses and begin to tackle deficits. controls on spending and sensible taxation can be achieved.
U2Kitten said:
Read the rest of
stuff you deleted. That's
why
lowering deficits
taxation will NEVER work
And yes, I do care
happen in 100 years. The world
even last that
to live now.
kobayashi said:
a rise in taxes does not have to equal a rise in spending. to assume so is ignorant.
U2Kitten said:It's 'sad' that I do care more about how I'm going to raise my kids NOW, pay my bills NOW and put them through college later than I am about what's going to happen in 100 years? The world may not even last that long. We have to live now.
U2Kitten said:Also- I do not believe and will never believe raising taxes is the answer to any money problems. Why? Because the more money the government has the more they'll find a way to waste it. It's like a person who gets a $500 bonus and do they put it on their credit cards? No!They go on a skiing trip!