Harry Vest
Refugee
Face the facts Hillary - It's over!!!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-kass-07-may07,0,6096000.column
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-kass-07-may07,0,6096000.column
I don't mean this as any criticism of cats or the Clintons, but as a compliment to the Clinton tenacity and toughness. And though many of us can't stand her First Laddie, you can't help but admire how she knocked back those Crown Royal shots to show she's not elitist and how she changed personalities, repeatedly redefining herself, refusing to quit, trying to cut down Barack Obama.
Though the Clintons are despised by many Democrats—and obviously feared by the Democratic beefeaters in Illinois and Massachusetts—there's more grit to Hillary Clinton than in our gentle Mr. Tumnus from Chicago.
Send her into a dark alley alone with Russian dictator Vladimir Putin, and slip a paring knife into her hand, and Hillary is the one who comes out five minutes later, smiling.
She can't stop Obama, the gentle faunof American politics, supported for years by a compliant, yearning media eager to portray him as a reformer and by the Chicago Democratic machine that has nurtured and protected him for years.
Obama is the fellow who stumbled and revealed he had two left political feet, one named Jeremiah Wright, the other named William Ayers, and still he'll be the Democratic Party's presidential nominee in the fall.
"Thank you North Carolina," Obama said precisely at 8:13 p.m. Chicago time, effectively embarking on the general election phase of his campaign. "Thank you so very much. I love you back. I surely do."
With soaring, highly emotional flourishes, Obama congratulated Clinton, said she won in Indiana, although precinct workers shipped over the border from Chicago would have other ideas.
"Tonight, many of the pundits have suggested that this party is inalterably divided," Obama said. "Well, I am here tonight to tell you I don't believe it."
He was doing fine up until the time he told the North Carolinians he went on food stamps as a child so that he and his sister could go to the best schools in the nation. It was an awkward bit, slightly scary and glassy-eyed, like a Peter Sellers moment in a Stanley Kubrick film. But Obama deserves some slack today, so let's cut him some.
DrTeeth said:
I dunno, I admire people who fight on until the bitter end, but at one point she just has to be realistic. Difficult to say whether that time is now.
Harry Vest said:Oh, and another obsession of mine is to NOT continue the Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton twenty year Whitehouse occupation. This is one of the most ridiculous things ever and CANNOT and WILL NOT be allowed to continue.
deep said:
and the dollar had value.
deep said:
It may be an obsession
but it is nonsense
when Obama gets the nomination
hopefully he will stop lying
and say something like
"We need change!
Change from Bush/ Cheney - the worst Presidency in our history.
Back to a Presidency like the Clinton. Administration
When the U S had good international relations and respected treaties and agreements. When Americans were welcomed abroad and the dollar had value. "
So do you think that American Imperialism would be justified for such interventions?Harry Vest said:
And hundreds of thousands died in Rwanda and Clinton did FUCK ALL about it. Great President alright. When "Three Strikes and Your Out" reared it's ugly head...when Welfare Reform sunk even more people into the gutter...look, I actually used to like Clinton and I loved the 90's - it was a better time and he was a better President than George Bush - no doubt about it...but I cannot overlook the negative aspects either.
A_Wanderer said:So do you think that American Imperialism would be justified for such interventions?
A_Wanderer said:So do you think that American Imperialism would be justified for such interventions?
Harry Vest said:
And hundreds of thousands died in Rwanda and Clinton did FUCK ALL about it.
When "Three Strikes and Your Out" reared it's ugly head...when Welfare Reform sunk even more people into the gutter...look,
I actually used to like Clinton and I loved the 90's - it was a better time and he was a better President than George Bush - no doubt about it...but I cannot overlook the negative aspects either.
Earnie Shavers said:
No, no, your sliding dollar is great. Please keep it up till early next year at least.
Regards,
Incoming Tourist.
deep said:Obama may very likely be the least experienced/ qualified candidate to get the nomination from one of the two major parties.
AngelofHarlem01 said:^Why does Obama scare you Carek?
LPU2 said:
Lincoln had about the same experience as Obama. I think experience is one of the most overrated qualities for a President.
From Lincoln to Roosevelt to Kennedy to Reagan, more than anything else, all were inspiring figures with great leadership and communication skills.
We have a man running this year with similar skills.
deep said:We do have a woman running this year with similar skills and great understanding of what it would mean to be a President for ALL the people.
deep said:
Because of the context
this comparison is silly
why not use a contemporary comparison ?
W is very, very low on the experience chart, he is the best comparison
and look at what that got us
and, also during the 2000 campaign he was said to have a "real connection" with American people because of his plain speaking style
I did post that Obama gave a damn good speech in NC Tuesday evening
I have no problem admitting that Obama is a good speaker and can be inspiring
But on your list, Why do you leave off Bill Clinton?
He certainly belongs on that list.
He killed in just about all of his State of the Union addresses, the GOP would have to stand and applaud
and can you admit that Hillary has those same qualities, also
She is top tier
We do have a woman running this year with similar skills and great understanding of what it would mean to be a President for ALL the people. But I seriously question—in this day of sexist politics—whether Democates have the wisdom to give her a fair shot.
Vincent Vega said:Obama is way more intelligent than Bush could ever be.
Vincent Vega said:Additionally, I don't think Obama would be such a marionette Bush is.
deep said:
I do have some concerns here
he got Wright 100% wrong
his "great speech on race" now needs to evaporate, because he wrapped it around Wright and allowed Wright to pull his strings until it became intolerable
LarryMullen's_POPAngel said:
I'm curious as well, Carek. Why does he scare you?
Headache in a Suitcase said:it's been over for a month now... why should that stop her now? she's gonna hang around until either a) obama goes spitzer on us, or b) she does enough damage to obama's campaign that mccain wins, thus setting it up for hill hill to run again in 2012.