MERGED --> Bono Should Be Ashamed + More ranting from Robertson

[martha]

Perhaps the exempt status should be reviewed again.

The minute that starts, the cries of "persecution" start as well.

 

[nbcrusader]

WB, NBC! Hope you had a nice vacation!

I have one issue to raise with the statement above. I totally agree that Robertson's aims have everything to do with power politics and all to do with the gospel. But we can't overlook that he makes his political claims in the name of our Lord. We absolutely MUST speak up against it.

Thank you! Yes, I had a nice time away with the family. Taking a break from all the daily routines was much needed.

After much thought and prayer about you post, I would suggest that the response to Robinson should be based on how the statement was taken. If it is political, we have the political responses.

However, if he is speaking in the name of the Lord, the Biblical response would be more in line with Matthew 18:15-17.

 

[financeguy]

At this stage only a fool would think that Robertson is a better Christian than Chavez.

 

[VertigoGal]

Who cares what Robertson OR Bono have to say? Trust me, I have a much higher opinion of Bono ( ) but I don't see why either of their opinions are particularly newsworthy at this point. They both have small audiences that take their word as gospel, but most people couldn't care less either way what they think on any one issue.

wait, I just called Bono irrelevant and compared him to Pat Robertson on a U2 site

*runs and hides*

 

[hiphop]

Update

.. I have said this in another article about gas prices, but can´t find it right now, so I´m gonna post that here -

Plus: I can´t find any article in english now, but according to our national news, Chavez has accepted the excuse by Robertson in a speech on Venezuelan TV yesterday; politically he will have to go after that, but personally, being a good Christian, he wants to accept Robertson´s "sorry".

Back to the gasoline:

CARACAS, Venezuela, Sept 4 (Reuters) - Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez said on Sunday his government would send one million barrels of gasoline to supply U.S. regions battered by Hurricane Katrina and the flooding disaster.

The populist Venezuelan leader, a vocal critic of Washington's foreign policies, has already offered to send relief aid to the area and accuses U.S. President George W. Bush of abandoning hurricane victims.

"We have to decided to send one million barrels of gasoline over there," Chavez said during his regular Sunday television broadcast program.

It was unclear whether the U.S. government would accept Chavez's gasoline offer.

Venezuela, the world's No. 5 oil exporter, is a key energy supplier to the United States. But diplomatic relations between Caracas and Washington have chilled since Chavez came to office in 1998 promising social reforms.

U.S. officials say the former soldier is fomenting unrest in South America and criticize his close ties to Cuba's Fidel Castro. But Chavez says Washington wants to kill him to end his self-proclaimed socialist revolution, a charge U.S. officials dismiss as rhetoric.

Citgo, the U.S.-based unit of Venezuela state oil company PDVSA, has said it would donate $1 million in relief aid to the victims of Katrina and Chavez has promised supplies.

Citgo's president said on Sunday the company was processing 398,000 barrels per day (bpd) at its Louisiana Lake Charles refinery in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.

Citgo had requested oil from the U.S. emergency stockpile for its Lake Charles plant -- with a crude distillation capacity of 425,000 bpd -- after Katrina battered U.S. offshore oil and gas production.

All of Citgo's plants were running with a combined capacity of 840,000 bpd, Citgo President Felix Rodriguez said.

"We are at Citgo refining capacity limit, none of the refineries are halted, everything is running," Rodriguez told Chavez by telephone from the United States.

Citgo plants have capacity of about 865,000 bpd and process mainly Venezuelan crude.

PDVSA's 190,000 bpd Chalmette refinery joint venture with U.S. Exxon Mobil was shut by Katrina.

 

[hiphop]

Robinson

Ro - bert - son.

 

[hiphop]

At this stage only a fool would think that Robertson is a better Christian than Chavez.

I agree.

 

[xana dew]

Robertson is, of course, an utterly deplorable nutsack. The sooner the cancer hits him, the better off the world will be. Rot, fucker. Frankly, I'm tired of waiting. I hope someone on his staff poisons him. Hell, maybe I'll apply for a job as a waiter at the 700 Club.

Bono, on the other hand, is a great man with a big picture in his mind. A noble, loving picture. He'll do almost anything, including dealing with known shitbags, to bring that picture into focus. I admire the guy for it.

I don't know how the B-man does it. I wouldn't piss on Robertson if he was in flames on the side of the road, let alone talk to the motherfucker.

 

[nbcrusader]

At this stage only a fool would think that Robertson is a better Christian than Chavez.

Is Chavez a Christian?

 

[hiphop]

Is Chavez a Christian?

Yes. Along with more than 95% of the population of the country he runs.

 

[Spiral_Staircase]

Robertson is, of course, an utterly deplorable nutsack. The sooner the cancer hits him, the better off the world will be. Rot, fucker.

I know. Can you believe this Robertson character thought someone should die because of the view he holds? Shameful.

 

[nbcrusader]

Robertson is, of course, an utterly deplorable nutsack. The sooner the cancer hits him, the better off the world will be. Rot, fucker. Frankly, I'm tired of waiting. I hope someone on his staff poisons him. Hell, maybe I'll apply for a job as a waiter at the 700 Club.

Congratulations! You're talking in the same vein as Robertson.

 

[hiphop]

The Bush administration has rejected the help offered by Venezuelan President Chavez.

Seems that the U.S. President is not interested in cheap gasoline. How someone can reject help in such a major disaster, is beyond my imagination. He´s too stubborn and this costs American citizens´ lives.

The only possible interpetation is that he wants that poor Americans stay poor.

 

[Anthony]

Unbelievable - the sheer hatred in here.

Now, really; will people please calm down. I see people wishing cancer on others, blatant defamation amongst members and clearly a lack of courtesy in many posts.

The way things are going, we're not going to have any kind of productive debate. I would kindly ask members to keep a cool head, please.

Ant.

 

[verte76]

I agree, Anthony. Robertson is a jerk but I don't hope he gets cancer or anything. I think Bush is stupid to turn down the oil from Venezuela, but what's new?

 

[nbcrusader]

Did Bush turn it down? Can't Chavez send it anyway? I'm still waiting for cheaper prices at my local Citgo.

 

[melon]

Bush likely turned down the oil from Chavez, due to the conditions he placed on it. Plus, lest we forget, our relations with Venezuela have been tense, and Chavez might be doing this to try and humiliate the U.S. and boost his own standing. I doubt it had anything to do with the offer of oil itself.

Melon

 

[hiphop]

I think Bush is stupid to turn down the oil from Venezuela, but what's new?

I think it´s more than stupid, it is irresponsible.

All Americans are doing threads with WAAAAH the gas is so damn expensive I pay so-and-so much per gallon - and at the same time the President refuses to cheapen? Refuses to take gas for free?

Wow, if I was an American, this would certainly enrage me beyond belief. but well, Bush can surely afford expensive gas, and rich Americans too. Like always, it´s the poor who suffer most.

 

[hiphop]

Bush likely turned down the oil from Chavez, due to the conditions he placed on it. Plus, lest we forget, our relations with Venezuela have been tense, and Chavez might be doing this to try and humiliate the U.S. and boost his own standing. I doubt it had anything to do with the offer of oil itself.

Melon

Which conditions?

Plus, I think it´s the administrations relations to Chavez, not the average poor American relations.

What kind of banana republic is the United States if you have fear from being humiliated by Chavez?

What exactly is your problem? You are begging for cheaper gas and waiting for hours at gas stations and post pictures of how high the prices are and bitch about it as if it was a major problem, and then you tell me Americans would be humiliated if it was cheaper? Hypo.

 

[hiphop]

Did Bush turn it down? Can't Chavez send it anyway? I'm still waiting for cheaper prices at my local Citgo.

Yes, Bush turned it down - apparently because he is angry with Chavez for calling him a "cowboy".

Poor Americans (and rich alike) pay the double for every gallon because their President is not comfortable with rhetorics. Nice.

 

[Se7en]

Which conditions?

if anything i guess it could be some sort of non-aggression pact...that's just speculation though. bush would never compromise his god given right to invade a sovereign nation.

 

[nbcrusader]

Yes, Bush turned it down - apparently because he is angry with Chavez for calling him a "cowboy".

Poor Americans (and rich alike) pay the double for every gallon because their President is not comfortable with rhetorics. Nice.

I've been searching the news for a report of Bush's turning down the oil. Nothing yet.

Do you have a link?

 

[sulawesigirl4]

I've been searching the news for a report of Bush's turning down the oil. Nothing yet.

Do you have a link?

I'm not sure if this is the same story but here is a link to an article in the Guardian called Bush rejects Chavez aid

 

[hiphop]

I've been searching the news for a report of Bush's turning down the oil. Nothing yet.

Do you have a link?

There was an article in the Guardian this morning, but apparently they took it off their website (this is one of the reasons I don´t like the Guardian anymore like I used to - they write more rhetoric BS than a decade ago, when their research was better and they didn´t fall into this inappropriate blah style. Still it is a good source of information though).

However, they put a paragraph of this into another article which you can read at http://www.guardian.co.uk/leaders/story/0,,1564036,00.html

 

[hiphop]

ok, Sula has found it for me.

 

[nbcrusader]

Jesse Jackson says Bush declined disaster assistance.

I'd hate to see a whole lot of rhetoric without knowing the facts behind the discussions (if they occurred).

 

[elfyx]

Well, why would the Bush administration accept aid from Chavez when instead he, through FEMA, is promoting everyone to give money to Pat Robertson's crooked Operation Blessing instead?

 

[U2Bama]

Well, why would the Bush administration accept aid from Chavez when instead he, through FEMA, is promoting everyone to give money to Pat Robertson's crooked Operation Blessing instead?

Operation Blessing is included with the following list of agencies:

American Red Cross
1-800-HELP NOW (435-7669) English,
1-800-257-7575 Spanish;

America’s Second Harvest
1-800-344-8070

Humane Society of the United States
1-888-259-5431

Operation Blessing
1-800-436-6348

United Jewish Communities
1-877-277-2477

Donate Cash and/or Volunteer

Adventist Community Services
1-800-381-7171

B'nai B'rith International
1-888-388-4224

Catholic Charities, USA
1-800-919-9338

Christian Disaster Response
941-956-5183 or 941-551-9554

Christian Reformed World Relief Committee
1-800-848-5818

Church World Service
1-800-297-1516

Convoy of Hope
417-823-8998

Corporation for National and Community Service Disaster Relief Fund
(202) 606-6718

Disaster Psychiatry Outreach
1-212-598-9995

Feed the Children
1-800-525-7575

Lutheran Disaster Response
800-638-3522

Mennonite Disaster Service
717-859-2210

Nazarene Disaster Response
888-256-5886

Presbyterian Disaster Assistance
800-872-3283

Salvation Army
1-800-SAL-ARMY (725-2769)

Southern Baptist Convention -- Disaster Relief
1-800-462-8657, ext. 6440

UJA Federation of New York
212 836-1880

Union for Reform Judaism

United Methodist Committee on Relief
1-800-554-8583


And they are NOT on FEMA's primary list of National Voluntary Organizations Active in Disaster listed below:

• (1) Support Our Members
• (2) National VOAD Members • Adventist Community Services
• America's Second Harvest • American Baptist Men USA
• American Disaster Reserve • American Radio Relay League, Inc. (ARRL)
• American Red Cross • Ananda Marga Universal Relief Team (AMURT)
• Catholic Charities USA • Center for International Disaster Information (formerly Volunteers in Technical Assistance)
• Christian Disaster Response • Christian Reformed World Relief Committee (CRWRC)
• Church of the Brethren- Emergency Response • Church World Service
• Convoy of Hope • Disaster Psychiatry Outreach
• Episcopal Relief and Development (formerly The Presiding Bishop's Fund for World Relief) • Friends Disaster Service, Inc.
• Humane Society of the United States • International Aid
• International Critical Incident Stress Foundation • International Relief Friendship Foundation (IRFF)
• Lutheran Disaster Response • Mennonite Disaster Service
• Mercy Medical Airlift: National Patient Travel Center • National Emergency Response Team
• National Organization for Victim Assistance • Nazarene Disaster Response
• Northwest Medical Teams International • Presbyterian Church (USA)
• REACT International, Inc. • Society of St. Vincent de Paul
• Southern Baptist Convention • The Points of Light Foundation
• The Salvation Army • United Church of Christ - Wider Church Ministries
• United Jewish Communities • United Methodist Committee on Relief
• United Way of America • Volunteers of America
• World Vision

It doesn't really look to me like Bush is specifically promoting it over any other organization.

~U2Alabama

 

[anitram]

Did Bush turn it down? Can't Chavez send it anyway? I'm still waiting for cheaper prices at my local Citgo.

No, sorry.

That oil best be coming to socialist Canookia!

 

[nbcrusader]

crooked Operation Blessing instead?

The judgments, they are a-rollin'