beli
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While you are here, and no ones answering your question, can I ask one of you? What is the difference between Karma and Grace, please? I dont get it.
beli said:While you are here, and no ones answering your question, can I ask one of you? What is the difference between Karma and Grace, please? I dont get it.
I understand now, your explanation was not clear before but now I understand.Bad Templar said:
This is a forum to discuss U2/Bono's spirituality...the statement... "Jesus, Jew, Mohammed, it's true"... is a new development in Bono's public expression of his spirituality.
It doesn't seem anyone is willing or capable to rationally discuss the statement without labelling the opposing view insane, dangerous or fundamentalist.
BonoVoxSupastar said:Your anger is uncalled for, but I'll continue anyways.
Bad Templar said:Christians believe that God's grace is also something that human beings can show towards each other...a form of God-like love. [/B]
beli said:Thanks for that description. But its this last bit I dont understand. *woe*
Bad Templar said:
I suppose it reflects what Jesus meant when he said, 'love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you.'
For example...If you abused and killed my family...I would show you 'grace' if I forgave you unconditionally for what you did... reflecting the way that God had forgiven me.
Often if people have a proven track record for being idiots, letting you down or betraying you...giving them a second chance is showing 'grace' towards them...even if you know they're going to let you down again.
So it's not just something God shows to mankind... people who have been forgiven by God are called to forgive in the same way.
Bad Templar said:
I suppose it reflects what Jesus meant when he said, 'love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you.'
For example...If you abused and killed my family...I would show you 'grace' if I forgave you unconditionally for what you did... reflecting the way that God had forgiven me.
Often if people have a proven track record for being idiots, letting you down or betraying you...giving them a second chance is showing 'grace' towards them...even if you know they're going to let you down again.
So it's not just something God shows to mankind... people who have been forgiven by God are called to forgive in the same way.
beli said:
Thank you. Thank you. I have asked this question many many times in this forum and no one has provided an explanation that made any sense to me. Your explanation is crystal clear! Thanks again. I can stop stalking this place now. lol.
BassTrap82 said:
So you forgive someone who kills your family!?! You say that know, because it doesn't happen! But if it happens really, I don't know if you still can forgive a killer!
AcrobatMan said:
forgiving a killer encourages more killing...
a murderer deserves 10-14 years in prison & some rehabilitation.
2nd murder...put him in prison till he dies in prison
AcrobatMan said:aha....
Bad Templar said:
Your point?
The purpose of Buddhism is to eradicate suffering and attain enlightenment.
If at the primary level, you deal with 'suffering' you are dealing with a symptom...not a root cause.
Christianity deals with 'sin' at a primary level as a root cause of human suffering...whereas Buddhism in comparison would deal with the products or effects of 'sin'.
I was merely making a comparison.
AcrobatMan said:
Buddhism tells that desire is root cause of all sufferings ...whereas Christanity deal with "sin" as reason for suffering...
Obviously "desire" is the root or primary cause...and "sin" is just a manifestation of "desire" or just a symptom...
AcrobatMan said:
Buddhism tells that desire is root cause of all sufferings ...whereas Christanity deal with "sin" as reason for suffering...
Obviously "desire" is the root or primary cause...and "sin" is just a manifestation of "desire" or just a symptom...
StlElevation said:im about as catholic as they come first off. and im not "mad" or have "less respect" for bono over this. all he is saying, at least to me, is that all religions spawn from the same root, which is abraham. theres no reason to be fighting with each other if they are all 'sons of abraham.' i dont think it means bono's converting to judaism or islam, either, but rather that theres no need to fight among each other and that everybody should just coexist if they all have the same 'father'.
starsgoblue said:
Bad Templar said:
I'm speaking from the Christian paradigm when I say this... but isn't desire (secondary) influenced by a person's nature (primary) either sinful or influenced by the Holy Spirit (Romans 8)?
There is no good or positive 'sin' in the Christian paradigm, sin has no duel identity or purpose.......but is 'desire' inherently bad to make it the root of suffering?
nathan1977 said:The only force in the universe stronger than Karma is Grace....because Grace undoes karma.
Palace_Hero said:I'm not religious and neither is Bono.
Bono always said hes as anti religion as an athiest, and like Larry feels more alike with a non believer than an all out member of the faith.
The point is, Bono is spiritual and like Muslims, Jews etc.. believes in the same thing. A higher being and this spiritual love. I think what Bono is trying to say is that whilst certain religions go by different names and different idiosyncracies, they are all true. in the central belief.
Hence the 'coexist' slogan.
Am I that wrong?