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You're reaching big time...
What the heck is wrong with you? Did you even view the segment? Are you aware of why Spitzer was forced to resign?
You're reaching big time...
Including Elliott Spitzer in the joke implies that the daughter is being perceived as a (prostitute) hooker.
What the heck is wrong with you? Did you even view the segment? Are you aware of why Spitzer was forced to resign?
you are really doing gymnastics not to concede that Letterman implied prostitution
why is it so hard just to say, 'oh yeah, I see your point" ?
Not even Palin, Fox or her followers made this reach.
I think it no coincidence most pro abortionists are silent in their support for Palin here, while defending, or minimalizing Letterman's actions.
It's not rocket science; and it's not a woman thing-it's an agenda.
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And another change of heart. Governor Palin gained a surprising new ally, someone who has not exactly been supportive before, Joy Behar.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JOY BEHAR, "THE VIEW": You know, I have to say that I'm on her side this time. Not because I didn't think it was sort of OK because comedians make jokes. But as a parent, as a mother, she's no dummy. She's going for the jugular. And I would, too. I would, too. As a mother, I would do it.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: ... run with her with McCain against, you know, Obama...
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: ... this case I identify with her rage against anybody who says a sexually implying joke about her daughter.
WHOOPI GOLDBERG, "THE VIEW": I would have preferred that she said, You apologize to my daughter right now because you had no business speaking about her for any reason. You don't know her. She's not your kid. Apologize.
(CROSSTALK)
GOLDBERG: If someone had made a joke about a President Obama daughter, we'd be just as offended.
SHERRI SHEPHERD, "THE VIEW": Which they have.
ELISABETH HASSELBECK, "THE VIEW": Absolutely!
GOLDBERG: We'd be just as offended.
(CROSSTALK)
HASSELBECK: This is not her fault for bringing her kid with her when she's working.
No, I think I figured it out she got knocked up by A-Rod, who doesn't have any connections with hookers so apparently he didn't pay, but they kept Spitzer away who does have ties to hookers...
So the implication was that she was a hooker on her day off. Does that make Palin her pimp? And if so do pimps give their hookers days off?
No, I think I figured it out she got knocked up by A-Rod, who doesn't have any connections with hookers so apparently he didn't pay, but they kept Spitzer away who does have ties to hookers...
So the implication was that she was a hooker on her day off. Does that make Palin her pimp? And if so do pimps give their hookers days off?
It's absolutely baffling to me, and must make you a very miserable person to have a debate with in real life.
You know, Mr. Supastar, I agree with you on most points as we have similar political views .
Letterman said he was referring to Palin's 18-year-old daughter, Bristol -- not the 14-year-old daughter who actually accompanied Palin on her New York trip. Letterman said "I recognize that these are ugly" jokes. NOW agrees. Comedians in search of a laugh should really know better than to snicker about men having sex with teenage girls (or young women) less than half their age.
The sexualization of girls and women in the media is reaching new lows these days -- it is exploitative and has a negative effect on how all women and girls are perceived and how they view themselves. Letterman also joked about what he called Palin's "slutty flight attendant look" -- yet another example of how the media love to focus on a woman politician's appearance, especially as it relates to her sexual appeal to men. Someone of Letterman's stature, who appears on what used to be known as "the Tiffany Network" (CBS), should be above wallowing in the juvenile, sexist mud that other comedians and broadcasters seem to prefer.
On that point, it's important to note that when Chelsea Clinton was 13 years old she was the target of numerous insults based on her appearance. Rush Limbaugh even referred to her as the "White House dog." NOW hopes that all the conservatives who are fired up about sexism in the media lately will join us in calling out sexism when it is directed at women who aren't professed conservatives.
What does Palin's embarrassing campaign interviews...or even her assertion that Obama palled around with known domestic terrorists...
have to do with her teenage daughters?
You know, Mr. Supastar, I agree with you on most points as we have similar political views. But your inability to admit that you're wrong, that someone else may actually have a valid point, makes you just as bad as those you accuse of not understanding your point.
It's absolutely baffling to me, and must make you a very miserable person to have a debate with in real life.
, The View women.
and The National Organization for Women
A-Rod, who doesn't have any connections with hookers
even the staunchest of her foes can check their hatred and call a spade a spade.
FYM-different story.
One is dispicable, the other is not.
To some, both are.
One finds describing a public polictical person's behavorial traits (who can defend herself)
disparging women in misogynistic ways
I agree with you here, but I don't think it's relevant to whether or not Letterman's comments were sexist and/or unduly tasteless. Neither she nor her daughter (I mean Bristol Palin here) chose to have her daughter's pregnancy become a major media story, however inevitable the realities of presidential campaign coverage might be said to have made that outcome. And being a 'family values icon' (or the child of one) isn't a worthy justification for that kind of invasiveness--there's a reason why hounding or smearing children of public figures is generally considered beyond the 'MSM' pale, and it's not meant to be contingent on their parents' convictions or behavior. Besides, this wasn't a case of savagely brilliant humor artfully teasing out some complex point about the role of gender and motherhood in campaign propaganda; it was a garden-variety cheap shot of the tried-and-true "Your [female relative] is a slut" genre. Which of course is one classic form of exploiting sexism to attack someone--typically someone disliked for reasons having little or nothing to do with said relative's sexual behavior. It is true, as you say, that Bristol Palin has since become somewhat of an independently 'famous' figure, but realistically, whatever admiration or contempt she inspires remains heavily bound up in who her mother is.It was almost as if she was marketed as being a mother who was running for VP, as opposed to a VP candidate who also has a family.
Just as a little terminological clarification--literally, a misogynist is someone who hates women, just as a misanthrope is someone who hates humanity in general (and a misandrist someone who hates men in general). While this could certainly entail difficulties relating to women as anything beyond sex objects, the underlying concept really has more to do with generalized, deep-seated feelings of anger and resentment towards women categorically. A sexist, by contrast--at least with reference to women--is simply someone who holds discriminatory views or attitudes towards women, not necessarily consciously...could be anything from believing women categorically unfit for any work except homemaking and childrearing, to 'merely' displaying a pervasive tendency to treat women in whichever sphere in a patronizing way, to applying double standards, again in whichever sphere (e.g., judging female coworkers who show little flair for fashion 'dumpy' and therefore not professionally up to snuff, while shrugging off the same attribute in male coworkers). What misogyny (or misandry) and sexism, like other discriminatory 'isms,' have in common is essentialism: the tendency to assume all members of a given group possess certain qualities--often negative ones, but they could also be theoretically positive ones which become straitjacketing *when enforced as a behavioral standard*--and to then cite these supposedly inherent qualities (or individuals' failures to conform fully to them) as justifications for unequal treatment of said group or, again, members of it who fail to conform to the traditionally expected stereotype.as i understand it: a sexist is a person usually male who thinks a woman's role is only in the home, or child rearing. a misogynist is a male who sees and views women only as sexual objects to gratify men. i don't see myself fitting either of those descriptions/definitions.