VintagePunk
Blue Crack Distributor
Some venues are in cities or are publicly owned. What legal authority does private security have on a public sidewalk or park?
They don't encourage overnight camping though, which is illegal in many cases.
Again, it is LN who executes the show, not PM. PM manages band issues.
The same cluster would arise with private scurity, and there may be legal issues with venue security giving up control to outside security. Venue security is more familiar with their venue. In this case, there seemed to be a crowd control failure - a few hundred people surged forward. They probably needed dozens of extra guards to prevent that.
I doubt LN's security would show up earlier than the line starter or line starters. There are a lot of line issues that are judgment calls (e.g. when someone can return to the line or not). Some venues have multiple lines as well. In the end, it's a $55 ticket which can offer the best view in the house - I think some people lose sight of that.
Again, you're making it far more complicated than it really needs to be.
So the touring/supervising security are hired by LN rather than PM. Fine. the point is, they travel venue to venue, communicate the consistent procedures to local or venue security, and are there in case questions/problems arise.
It pretty much says no camping out for all venues, yet some allowed it, some didn't. Either have security present overnight and allow it, or institute some sort of venue wristbanding and have the numbered, wristbanded people come back at whatever time the next day. This is far superior to the line nazi method, because the venue actually have the authority to carry it out and enforce it. And this is also where consistency comes in - if fans know of the rules and procedures ahead of time, and that they will be upheld by security, there is far less room to argue or to try to bend the rules. Everyone is subject to the same rules, therefore, there's no room for complaint.
What real legal authority do security have in any situation? At best, they can remove people. If things get escalate, they almost always have to call the police, anyway.
All but one of the 10 lines I've been in so far on the past two tours have been great, there were very few problems, with the exception of one line. The difference all of those 9 times is really great venue/local security who worked in conjunction with the line nazis.
Anyway, I still really don't see where it would be that difficult. The two key things are consistent rules so that fans know ahead of time what to expect, and security present who know exactly what those rules are so they can enforce them if need be. It would make things run so much more smoothly, and avoid problems like we've seen at times this tour and last tour, and make it a much safer environment.