80sU2isBest said:
The lyrics to Gloria, Tomorrow, October, With A Shout, Sunday Bloody Sunday, 40, Drowning Man, All Because Of You and YHWH aren't vague at all.
LivLuvAndBootlegMusic said:
What specifics to do you see? From those songs, all I can tell is that Bono is a Christian and believes in God and Jesus. That's still pretty vague, but good enough for me.
80sU2isBest said:
The lyrics to Gloria, Tomorrow, October, With A Shout, Sunday Bloody Sunday, 40, Drowning Man, All Because Of You and YHWH aren't vague at all.
80sU2isBest said:
BVS said that U2's lyrics about Christ are vague, and I simply said that they're not. None of the songs I listed have vague meanings; all are blatant.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
But my point was he's vague in the sense of we don't know what denomination he leans towards,
Lemonfix said:The ending of Tomorrow isn't vague at all.
Then Bono and Adam rerecorded it in the 90's and got rid of the obvious religious overtones.
I find that in itself, to be pretty vague
melon said:One can say the same exact things about the "negative aspects" of Christian fundamentalism in regions of America. It's been said that, particularly with Appalachian regions of the U.S., "Christianity" is often abused to ignore the real problems. And, as such, these same people keep on voting back in the same corrupt politicians who keep them poor, just because they parade around as "good Christians."
Alabama is another good example. A few years back when the governor tried to fix their inadequate tax structure, the Christian Coalition came on in to condemn it. Now what does a religious organization have anything to do with taxation.
melon said:
I just wanted to say that I don't like Catholic bashing, particularly when many people are perfectly contented to ignore the same problems that happen within their own Christian religion.
Bad Templar said:I can't see any evidence of Catholic bashing on this thread or anything to warrant your last assertion.
So would you come to the defence of a fundamentalist, 'brainwashed' 'religious nut' if they were being bashed?
Conversely, would you challenge an atheist or secularist who was contented to ignore problems within their own philosophy?
financeguy said:
I dunno if I'd call it Catholic bashing as such but it was pretty close to it IMO.
LivLuvAndBootlegMusic said:if it's something I said
Bad Templar said:I can't see any evidence of Catholic bashing on this thread or anything to warrant your last assertion.
So would you come to the defence of a fundamentalist, 'brainwashed' 'religious nut' if they were being bashed?
Conversely, would you challenge an atheist or secularist who was contented to ignore problems within their own philosophy?
melon said:
My point was that what you accused Catholicism of with the "negative aspects" are just as apt in Protestantism,
Originally posted by financeguy
Why should he? Melon is from a Catholic background (as am I). 'The old religion dies hard', as they say!
financeguy said:
It wasn't.
melon said:Fuck the Bible
Bad Templar said:Are you trying to shock me?
What empowers you with the moral authority to demand that there not be inter-faith/inter-denominational criticism, citing hypocrisy (apparently the exclusive vice of the religious), yet stand in judgement over them yourself?
To do so, it’s essential that your own personal philosophy must be proven to be perpetually pure and flawless, otherwise...“ye who is without hypocrisy, first cast a stone at them.”
coemgen said:Nice point, Melon. The world would be a better place if we all realized we're all human (and more alike, than different. I know that sounds trite, but it's true.)
melon said:Why, yes, I was. I'm glad you're good humored about it, rather than taking it literally.
melon said:
I'm empowered with the same authority that allows clergy and clerics of all stripes and religions to throw stones to whomever and whenever they see fit. You see, they may have fancy garbs and tough talk, but all clerics have one thing in common: they're just as human as you and me. And, you see, they only have as much power as we allow them to have. Frankly, my patience has run out, and since I am equal to any religious cleric--just as you are too--I have as much right to be as tolerant, or should I say, "intolerant" as them.
Bad Templar said:
Anyway, it's nice to see that we share a similar suspicion of clergy.
BorderGirl said:If you are Catholic, your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ and His apostles.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Jesus didn't find Catholicism.
financeguy said:
Plus Jesus was Jewish and often quoted the prophets of the Old Testament, so if we are deciding which religion within the Judaeo-Christian framework is 'best' based on which has the longest provenance, which BorderGirl's post appears to suggest, I guess we should all convert to Judaism.
Those are your words, not mine.financeguy said:Oh dear. So we're back to deciding who are the most devout once again.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Jesus didn't find Catholicism.