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On top of that, even though I do not think that this was part of Laz's original post, I would argue that both Kid A and Amensiac are far, far more adventurous and daring than AB and Zooropa.
with bands like Coldplay, The Killers, Snow Patrol, Bloc Party, etc in terms of seeing u2 as a "path".
On top of that, even though I do not think that this was part of Laz's original post, I would argue that both Kid A and Amensiac are far, far more adventurous and daring than AB and Zooropa.
but to say that Radiohead followed up OKC with Kid A and Amnesiac because of AB/Zooropa/Passengers really gives them no credit.
i completely agree with all that. maybe i misunderstood this comment.Well, AB is musically influenced by witnessing a post-Berlin Wall Europe in flux and the mixture of depression and excitement that comes out of that. The lyrics are more personal but with Cockropa that confusion/discombobulation is right in your face with the content of the songs themselves, while also looking at how people are living with technology. And then comes Passengers which takes it an abstract step further. You're telling me that OK Computer's themes about pre-millennium society and technology aren't derived out of that same pool that Shuttlecock was previously exploring? Or that the chilly disconnect on Kid A and Amnesiac doesn't sound right out of the Eno/Cockengers playbook?
Come on.
For example I think its really "circumstantial" that Radiohead followed in the same direction with OKC then the Kid A+ Kid B (Amnesiac... which really had the same recipe that Zooropa did as a weaker twin to the former album).
Obviously, but Shuttlecock had much more to lose by their experimentation.
Also, Cockengers is even less accessible than Kid A or Amnesiac. And came out 5 years before either Radiohead album. Coincidentally, Kid A ends with a song called "Motion Picture Soundtrack". Weird, huh?
Thom, as I'm sure that you know, is an avid reader, and he has stated on several occasions that Kid A and Amnesiac were heavily influenced by certain intellectual figures rather than any particular band.
Also, Passengers is even less accessible than Kid A or Amnesiac.
I think it would make more sense to say U2 were influenced by Depeche Mode
But you do realize that's being said just to add to their mystique. Radiohead has been careful not to mention other musicians and their influence since OK Computer. In fact they mentioned U2 as an influence in their change from Pablo to Bends, but then started backtracking well after OK Computer.
BVS said:But just like U2 were inspired by a combination or more underground bands when they did AB, Radiohead were inspired by more underground bands at the time when they did Kid A.
And as experimental as Passengers is, it is still following the Brian Eno template. The songs on Kid A and Amnesiac, however, are often ripping traditional song structure apart at the seams. Those albums have time signatures, chord progressions, and key changes that U2 has never explored. To be honest, I do not see any antecedent for songs like "Idioteque," "Pyramid Song," or any number of the other songs on those albums anywhere in U2's catalogue.
But you do realize that's being said just to add to their mystique. Radiohead has been careful not to mention other musicians and their influence since OK Computer. In fact they mentioned U2 as an influence in their change from Pablo to Bends, but then started backtracking well after OK Computer.
I don't think U2 played a direct influence on Kid A but they sure did on Bends and OK.
So what if it's "following the Brian Eno template"? It could still be an influence. And what does that even mean?
Jimmy Gnecco of the band Ours has said that Achtung Baby is his "musical Bible".
The influence is there, but not obvious.
What I mean is that Passengers sounds like Eno's Apollo album with a few vocals thrown on top of it and one attempt at a radio-friendly single.
If you're arguing that Radiohead was necessarily influenced by Passengers on the sole basis that they heard the album, then there is no way to counter that argument. But I'm just really uncomfortable with the whole implication of this thread that U2 was somehow the first rock band ever to dabble in electronics and ambient. If Kid A were in fact directly influenced by another artist, why does it have to be U2 / Passengers? Why might it not be Brian Eno after he left Roxy Music?
I remember Stone Roses, EMF, and even Jesus Jones exploring that sound a couple years before Achtung Baby came out.
there's nothing arcane about aphex twin’m not going to deny that they have influences, but I also do not think that they went into the studio for Kid A with a blueprint to make an album that sounds like Alphex Twin or any other arcane group
Well that was Madchester and Alternative Dance. Absolutely came first although I wouldn't say its the same obviously. Achtung isn't their Baggy album.