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Kind of, they've taken a bit of a hardline approach to Syriza, but I wouldn't necessarily call them irrelevant given they've won about 15 seats and have a pretty big membership base. If they went into coalition then things would be much more positive. It's a real shame and annoyance because Tsipras was very, very eager to go into coalition with them and they just kept on rejecting him.
 
Kind of, they've taken a bit of a hardline approach to Syriza, but I wouldn't necessarily call them irrelevant given they've won about 15 seats and have a pretty big membership base. If they went into coalition then things would be much more positive. It's a real shame and annoyance because Tsipras was very, very eager to go into coalition with them and they just kept on rejecting him.

I say irrelevance because any grouping that can't play the political game and make tactical compromises in the end fails to secure a long-term place at the table. I'm talking decades though.

Do you think Syriza will have to make significant concessions as part of this coalition arrangement?
 
As it stands the only willing parties are either a centrist one who are pro-EU and something like a UKIP type party who happen to be anti-austerity. They don't have much of a choice. I would imagine it could block some developments.
 
I don't know quite how the Greek system works, but you'd hope that on some more left-wing matters they'd receive KKE's vote even if their coalition partner won't play ball.
 
I heard that Rock the Casbah was played after Tsipras' speech. Nice. Apparently lots of Clash being played in general.
 
The company I work for has done two different programs about the abandoned parts of Detroit. I wish I could find them online, but I don't see either streaming anywhere, but here's some clips from the one I worked on:

http://www.weather.com/tv/shows/sec...s-creepy-abandoned-buildings-detriot-20141029

The video at the top of the article doesn't work for me :( but the pictures below are amazing. Can't believe the difference between the two from a school hall taken in 2008 and 2009. Some of those pictures are ghostly, and those grand castle-like apartments and houses just crumbling and subsiding - wow.

Must admit I'd love to explore and photograph those sorts of places. I was fascinated enough by the two disused floors of the office block I used to work in.
 
i've never been able to explore detroit (i've had a layover or two there and that's the closest i've ever gotten to the city), but we have some abandoned areas around me. it's such a trip to be there because it's obviously totally deserted, yet there's still buildings there. i try to go visit maybe once a year, and it's amazing to see how nature slowly takes over more and more of these buildings, parking lots, and streets.

:lol: axver, you would've loved where i worked ages ago! back in the beginning of the superthread, i worked in this building from 06-08 (i think i'm remembering the years correctly?) and it had four floors. the only ones in use were the ground floor (and even then there were no offices, no secretary, it was as if it were one huge atrium or something) and the floor i worked on, the second floor (first floor for you aussies). the third and fourth floors were totally disused. i'd sometimes sneak around them during my breaks. the third floor was just basically huge rooms that would have been cubicle farms, but as they were unoccupied, they were huge rooms with like cubicle stuff scattered on the floor.

the fourth floor was interesting, though. it was clearly meant to be the executive floor, and there was supposedly a private apartment (including shower) for the ceo or something. i could never find that, but there was a clear difference between the second/third and fourth floors. room for secretaries, bigger offices, more actual offices with doors, not just cubicles. i remember there were executive male/female bathrooms. :lol: i never went in one to see if it was any different from the bathrooms us regular folks had.
 
i've never been able to explore detroit (i've had a layover or two there and that's the closest i've ever gotten to the city), but we have some abandoned areas around me. it's such a trip to be there because it's obviously totally deserted, yet there's still buildings there. i try to go visit maybe once a year, and it's amazing to see how nature slowly takes over more and more of these buildings, parking lots, and streets.

Memphis not doing too well then, or is it just an unrepresentative rundown area?

And your former work sounds like somewhere I would've had a great time exploring! I'd have definitely tried to find that supposed apartment. :lol:

The building I was in 2012-14 was formerly the economics and commerce faculty's main building, but they had moved to a brand new one. We moved into the building but didn't need all the floors.* A couple of other floors were occupied by people not connected to us, but it left the entire fifth floor disused, along with parts of the fourth, sixth, and seventh, the portions of which together added up to essentially another whole empty floor. I worked a fair few weekends last year and spent heaps of time exploring the place. If I got writer's block I'd often get up and go for a wander to clear my head and toss over ideas, pacing up these unused corridors or sitting in empty offices.

Though when I say empty, most of them still had desks, bookshelves, whiteboards, etc. Some had quite unusual things left in them - a few had filing cabinets or old phones, one a really ancient computer, another a whole bunch of folders full of data that had just been left behind, and a fair few pithy messages left on whiteboards. LOTS of chairs around the place. One office was just a pile of chairs. Some had personal mementoes, even a few little photos of somebody's children on one pinboard. I found it utterly fascinating.

*Well that's not completely true; we could've easily made use of more space but universities have long since been over-run by managerial neoliberal nonsense. Essentially each school or faculty pays the university for use of office space, so they try to keep a limit on what they use. I think it's simply moronic that a division of the university has to pay for the offices from the university of which it's a part. What are we going to say, "nah we've got a better deal from Monash, see ya!"?
 
Hey Vlad, very curious what you make of this: Vladimir Putin’s apologists spread dangerous message

It's written by a historian who specialises in post-USSR Russian nationalism... and he's the guy who actually really got me into history. I took one of his courses as a second-year undergrad when I still didn't know if I was going to pursue political science or history further, and he swayed me towards history. It was also the first time I wrote about New Zealand history, oddly enough. So I think very, very highly of him, and he's one of the first people I thanked in both my Honours and PhD theses.
 
Last year my university's new library opened, the old one's going to be (or has, who knows yet) transformed into a general student area (assuming that's incorporating every level), so yeah, it doesn't seem that in my university's case that there will be perpetually unused spaces. That's the most I can add to this discussion.
 
Last year my university's new library opened, the old one's going to be (or has, who knows yet) transformed into a general student area (assuming that's incorporating every level), so yeah, it doesn't seem that in my university's case that there will be perpetually unused spaces. That's the most I can add to this discussion.

Oh trust me, if you go exploring deep into some university office buildings, you may be surprised what you find unused - or what its purpose is. It's amazing how little of the university you see as a student, actually.

I now work in a building in which I had a lot of classes back when I was a student. I thought I knew it pretty well. I've only been working in it for a couple of months and already realised my previous knowledge was incredibly limited. Whole wings of offices - some disused - that I basically didn't know existed!
 
Hey Vlad, very curious what you make of this: Vladimir Putin’s apologists spread dangerous message

It's written by a historian who specialises in post-USSR Russian nationalism... and he's the guy who actually really got me into history. I took one of his courses as a second-year undergrad when I still didn't know if I was going to pursue political science or history further, and he swayed me towards history. It was also the first time I wrote about New Zealand history, oddly enough. So I think very, very highly of him, and he's one of the first people I thanked in both my Honours and PhD theses.

That's interesting, thanks. I'll give you my thoughts.

Russian President Vladimir Putin's onslaught against the Ukrainian city of Mariupol should have dispelled the last illusions of even his most ardent defenders. Once courted by Western leaders as "a perfect democrat", Putin now stands exposed as a dictator who has wrecked his own country's democratic institutions, violated international treaties, invaded a neighbouring state, and fomented a civil war that has claimed thousands of lives.

I agree in that I'm a very ardent opponent of Putin, naturally, but I find a few issues with this opening paragraph. I'm not sure if I've seen any proper evidence regarding the perpetrators of the Mariupol bombing so I can't comment on that.

The idea that Putin wrecked his own country's "democratic institutions" (whatever the hell that really means) is preposterous given that they never really existed under Yeltsin!

I'll also add that after having followed all the events leading up to this mayhem, a civil war would've likely begun even without Russian interference, such was the nature of the times.

Despite this dismal record, Putin enjoys the sympathy of a small legion of apologists in the West. The majority come from the extreme left and the extreme right, which share Putin's anti-Americanism, his penchant for bizarre conspiracy theories, and his visceral contempt for liberal democracy. But Putin's most influential defenders are the "realists", a group of academics, former diplomats and opinion-makers whose ideas are treated seriously in the corridors of power.

There are a few on the left who have quite partial feelings towards him, but those are a few (we call them tankies), and they are in the vast majority of cases partial towards him due to some vague reasoning of "anti-imperialism," which is silly of course.

The real sources of Putin's recklessness are to be found not in Western diplomacy but in his terror of democratic revolution, a terror that has shaped the contours of his regime since 2005. As an uprising against a corrupt dictatorship, the Euromaidan represented an existential challenge to Putin's rule. Like the ousted Ukrainian leader Viktor Yanukovich, Putin nurtured a kleptocracy that brought incredible riches to a circle of cronies. Putin had good reason to dread the effects on his own people of an uprising against a similar regime with a large Russian minority. His anxieties were compounded by the trauma of the "Bolotnaya" protests of 2011-12, when hundreds of thousands of Russians protested under anti-corruption banners against election fraud and Putin's return to the presidency.

That's all well and good, but Euromaidan resulted in the same thing (hell, were the likes of Yushchenko and Tymoshenko really all that different?) that the people were supposedly fighting against, except with a shiny EU sticker on it.

For Russian democrats like Aleksei Navalnyi, it is self-evident that the purpose of Putin's onslaught against Ukraine was to show to his own people that democratic revolution is a path to national catastrophe. If you overthrow me, you can expect civil war, state collapse, and mass impoverishment.

Now this is plain ridiculous, it's fucking disgusting how the West portrays Navalny as some respectable "democrat" when the guy marches with Russian nationalists who froth "Russia for Russians" and holds various reactionary views. He's not at all that different from Putin, but it just seems that the shiny "West friendly" sticker makes him oh so loveable. I'll also add that no Russians really like him apart from Moscow middle-upper class types. If you're going to hype up an opposition leader, why not Udaltsov?

The anti-Western hysteria raging in Russia's state-controlled media is an integral part of the Putin regime's anti-revolutionary strategy.

It's relevant to criticise Russian state media, but don't act that the West's is any different.

Now Ax, I understand this guy has had a positive influence on you, and that's fine, but I can't really share your enthusiasm for his work (based on this). The problem for me is that it's not easy to find articles that seem balanced, in the sense that it's not largely pro-Russian or not largely "RA RA RA it's all Putin's fault" like this one is.

I'm going to guess that politically he identifies as a liberal?
 
Oh trust me, if you go exploring deep into some university office buildings, you may be surprised what you find unused - or what its purpose is. It's amazing how little of the university you see as a student, actually.

I now work in a building in which I had a lot of classes back when I was a student. I thought I knew it pretty well. I've only been working in it for a couple of months and already realised my previous knowledge was incredibly limited. Whole wings of offices - some disused - that I basically didn't know existed!

My university campus is really quite dense, there are only a few buildings I haven't been in and that's because they are an entirely different faculty.
 
Thanks first for the really detailed reply!

I'm going to guess that politically he identifies as a liberal?

I'll start with this actually - I don't know a terrible lot about Robert's personal politics, having never quizzed him, but he was generally not perceived as being tremendously left-wing. I recall he gave up teaching our course on the Russian Revolution because he got sick of Trots and similar people disrupting his lectures, handing out leaflets about his "lies", and so forth.

My respect for him boils down most to his dedication to proper argumentation and documentation, neither of which you can satisfactorily get in a news article, and because of his lectures, which were more rich in content than any others (well, except maybe Stuart Macintyre, but Stuart already has a cult of adoring fans and I prefer to view him as a colleague). I learnt more about how to actually be a historian from Robert than from anybody else, and everybody who has attended both his and my lectures has remarked on their similarity in organisation, despite our vast differences in presentation.

The idea that Putin wrecked his own country's "democratic institutions" (whatever the hell that really means) is preposterous given that they never really existed under Yeltsin!

I'd suggest they existed to a greater degree pre-Putin, and that he has made a particularly remarkable sham of them.

Now this is plain ridiculous, it's fucking disgusting how the West portrays Navalny as some respectable "democrat" when the guy marches with Russian nationalists who froth "Russia for Russians" and holds various reactionary views. He's not at all that different from Putin, but it just seems that the shiny "West friendly" sticker makes him oh so loveable. I'll also add that no Russians really like him apart from Moscow middle-upper class types. If you're going to hype up an opposition leader, why not Udaltsov?

Now this, I would love to hear Robert's reply, given Russian nationalism is very much one of his leading interests. I obviously am in no position to speak.

The main issue I think with his article is, perhaps, that it's not suited to the mainstream press and its confines. He is in significant part going after the realist school of international relations, with which I imagine you would have as many disagreements as I do, and its public intellectuals in Australia. Realism as a doctrine is callous and unfeeling, but a detailed rebuttal of it would perhaps lose most readers and be more suited to scholarly journals. At the same time, it's essential to make an argument against these people in the public sphere, because they too easily accrue influence, especially over right-wing politicians.

It's relevant to criticise Russian state media, but don't act that the West's is any different.

Here is where I definitely disagree with you. Obviously the Western media is not without fault, and the tabloid media in particular is no better than toilet paper, but I feel you often go out of your way to bash it equally with the Russian media, when it's safe to say problems of control and of distortion of the facts run much, much deeper in Russia than they do in the West.
 
Thanks first for the really detailed reply!

I'll start with this actually - I don't know a terrible lot about Robert's personal politics, having never quizzed him, but he was generally not perceived as being tremendously left-wing. I recall he gave up teaching our course on the Russian Revolution because he got sick of Trots and similar people disrupting his lectures, handing out leaflets about his "lies", and so forth.

Fair to say he's a liberal then, it's the sort of tone his article had and this relentless defence of "liberal democracy" that lead me to this opinion. Liberals like him generally don't like it when you point out the equally reactionary nature of Ukrainian politics and its role in exacerbating the current crisis, it's not really a one way street.

Also fair to say I probably couldn't last an hour with him lecturing. :lol:

I'd suggest they existed to a greater degree pre-Putin, and that he has made a particularly remarkable sham of them.

I wouldn't necessarily disagree with this, especially if you said the standard of bourgeois democracy under Yeltsin was ridiculously low, and that Putin may have erased what was left of it. Remember that Yeltsin exhibited the same dictatorial tendencies that are correctly pinned on Putin, that he 'postponed' democracy to shock the country with mass privatisations and of course the events of October 1993 (well documented in The Shock Doctrine).

Now this, I would love to hear Robert's reply, given Russian nationalism is very much one of his leading interests. I obviously am in no position to speak.

I would imagine that Robert's staunch pro-West leanings would end up bypassing Navalny's rather obvious nationalism, and it's not terribly surprising to me. Don't forget that Navalny is also a supporter of the annexation of Crimea, so it does seem like a rather concerted effort by the West to pick the parts that suit them, and I guess as a relatively pro-Western neoliberal I'm not all that surprised by that either. Realistically, there's really no other Russian political figure they could support (maybe Khodorkovsky, but he's just oligarch trash), and a guy like Udaltsov are far too left to be given that support.

Here is where I definitely disagree with you. Obviously the Western media is not without fault, and the tabloid media in particular is no better than toilet paper, but I feel you often go out of your way to bash it equally with the Russian media, when it's safe to say problems of control and of distortion of the facts run much, much deeper in Russia than they do in the West.

I try to maintain as neutral a view as possible, and I see no good in either.
 
I can be a real slacker at work sometimes, but I suspect I might have to defer a reply to tomorrow! :lol:

I try to pop on here for short periods, make brief posts, and get back to work, more as a sort of punctuation through the day rather than losing focus for hours at a time. Though when the New Zealand cricket games have been on - yeah that hasn't been good, especially because there was nobody else in the office to keep me honest earlier this month!
 
Memphis not doing too well then, or is it just an unrepresentative rundown area?[/SIZE]
around where i live had its rundown moments during the recession (and there are some houses near me that i know are abandoned), although the area i was referring to was about an hour away. so like memphis-ish. i meant it was closer to me than detroit :lol:

And your former work sounds like somewhere I would've had a great time exploring! I'd have definitely tried to find that supposed apartment. :lol:

Though when I say empty, most of them still had desks, bookshelves, whiteboards, etc. Some had quite unusual things left in them - a few had filing cabinets or old phones, one a really ancient computer, another a whole bunch of folders full of data that had just been left behind, and a fair few pithy messages left on whiteboards. LOTS of chairs around the place. One office was just a pile of chairs. Some had personal mementoes, even a few little photos of somebody's children on one pinboard. I found it utterly fascinating.
ha, definitely! the company i worked for closed the departments that were there and sold the building, so now it's occupied by another company. i wonder if they've occupied all four floors or not!

that sounds so interesting! i would've been tempted to grab the computer and sneak it out somehow.
 
I would have loved that job with Sportsbet, but there are times like these when I'm really kinda glad I didn't get it
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I thought that was just a dull, lame joke until I got to the Australia one. Good grief.
 
They also posted a NZ sheep joke as well. I really think that's a little worn out but their target audience is fuckwits, I suppose...

It amazes me how many Australians continue to enjoy hearing the same sheep jokes over and over again.

I'm applying for The Funny Tonne at MICF this year. Gotta see and review at least 100 shows (free entry).

Here I was thinking I did pretty well when I saw over 100 gigs in a year...
 
Is the full schedule out yet? I know Charlotte's made a short list from what had been announced earlier this month. Would be interested in your recommendations...
 
it is now. haven't looked at it yet but will hit you back.

I just spent the last two hours constructing a steaming pile of shit that I just dropped in B&C. what the fuck is wrong with me. I desperately need a life.
 
Sweet, I'm definitely interested in your picks. My favourite last time was Justin Hamilton, a set that really made me think as well as laugh, so anything else in that vein would be cool.

And well done with the B&C countdown, that was fun. Good work and I'm glad you put in the effort. Would've sucked if it hadn't happened this year.

Oh, and thanks for not applying a three-vote minimum rule. For once phanan and I got Alcest into the ranking. :wink:
 
I'd definitely recommend Justin Hamilton again, he's got a new show. Yet to see it but I imagine it will be brilliant. I think you two would really enjoy Felicity Ward.

And cheers. I put it together Friday night, was surprised how much I actually enjoyed sitting alone putting together a list for forum (easily the nerdiest thing I've ever done) on a Friday night. Had no idea about the three-vote minimum thing though :lol: not that I would have applied it, if an album gets two max votes it should get in!
 
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