Mrs. Garrison
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yeah where's the boxscores, bitches?
yeah where's the boxscores, bitches?
Don't make me go all Larry on you.
Yes, I know, you are talking in circles. And if, in the off chance, 46,000 wanted to attend, they would have.
Fleetwood Mac new in 1975/1976? Fleetwood Mac predates the Eagles by at least a few years and were a well known and established band by 1976. The Eagles were the biggest, but Fleetwood Mac wasn't far behind, even in the period you mentioned. They did several festival dates with The Eagles that year. At the Tampa, Florida show they played about 75 mins, hardly a set length for a somewhat obscure opener.
There were a lot more than 12 total stadium shows in the U.S. in 1976.
This article here -
The Year In Music 2003: How Billboard Compiles The Boxscore Charts | Marketing & Advertising > Marketing & Advertising Channels from AllBusiness.com
Makes it sound like they just accepted and published whatever the promotor tells them - without any auditing.
"If it was only a matter of listing every show as a sellout by the promoter EVERYONE would have their shows listed as sellouts. "
And a lot do, when it's obvious it isn't.
There were no U2 shows reported this week. Top three were:
1 Austin City Limits Music Festival: Pearl Jam, Dave Matthews Band, Kings of Leon, Ben Harper & Relentless7 & others Zilker Park
Austin, Texas
Oct. 2-4, 2009
$13,503,345
195,000 /
195,000
3 /
3
$185, $135
C3 Presents
2 Depeche Mode, The Raveonettes Foro Sol
Mexico City, Mexico
Oct. 3-4, 2009
$4,190,448
88,380 /
99,962
2 /
0
$102.03, $18.22
OCESA/CIE-Mexico
3 Bette Midler The Colosseum at Caesars Palace
Las Vegas, Nev.
Oct. 14, 16-18, 20-21, 23-25, 2009
$3,734,928
32,601 /
37,914
9 /
2
$250, $175, $140, $95
Concerts West/AEG Live
Flirt
The fact remains, when the number of tickets released for purchased = the number of tickets sold, the concert is marked a sellout. Its that simple. It has nothing to do with the the real physical capacity of the venue, although sometimes the two figures match up.
In terms of being known to the general public, yes. Here are some facts you seem to be ignorant of:
Fleetwood Mac's first album to EVER make into the Top 30 of the US billboard 200 was the "Fleetwood Mac" Album released in the summer of 1975!
When the show happened in 1976, this was STILL their only Top 30 album.
Fleetwood Mac had NO top 10 hits at the time of the concert.
The "Fleetwood Mac" album is the first album by Fleetwood Mac to achieve GOLD status which is 500,000 albums sold.
Now lets contrast that with the Eagles position at the time:
The Eagles at that time had 6 top 10 hits. 5 of those made the top 5 and two of them made it to #1.
The Eagles had 4 albums to make the US top 30 of the Billboard 200. Two of those albums each made it to #1 for over a month. All of the albums had been certified GOLD and the Eagles "Their Greatest Hits 1971-1975" was one of the first albums to ever be certified PLATINUM when the award became available in 1976!
The Eagles were very popular, with lots of HIT albums and singles. Fleetwood Mac at the time only had ONE hit album and NO top 10 hits. Its an understatement to say the Eagles were ahead of Fleetwood Mac at the time of the concert.
Great, and I'm sure you can name every single one as well as provide us with the boxoffice results of each.
LOL, Well, why don't you contact them and tell them you soldout the Rose Bowl at say 97,000 people and tell them the gross was 9,700,000 because you charged $100 dollars a ticket. I'm sure we'll see your numbers on next weeks Billboard Boxscore chart!
I have boxscores by Bruce Springsteen showing that he soldout a show at x capacity, yet that is NOT the full physical capacity of the venue. I have shows that show Bruce Springsteen did not sellout a venue and the attendance was say 14,000 out of 18,000, yet the full capacity of the venue was actually 19,000.
Again, the reason for that is that the number of tickets released for purchase by the promoter was smaller than the maximum physical capacity of the venue. Thats how its always been done. No one goes around just declaring they sold x amount and that it was a sellout.
Of course Live Nation is going to list this tour as 100% sold out, even if some shows are "only" 95%. They don't want any negative press that was associated with Popmart. Information is going to be tightly controlled. Within weeks of the Popmart tour starting, the story got away from the band and it became all about the economics, sort of like the Ishtar of the 1990's.
Honestly guys, this thread is called 'U2 360 Boxscore Discussion' not 'All Boxscore Discussion'.
That said, , I'm surprised with those headliners, and 195,000 attendees, that ACL 'only' grossed $13m.
Or if the promotor decides to declare it a sellout after the fact regardless of it there were tickets still available at showtime or not.
While going to number one, selling 4.5 million copies and spawning 3 hit songs, even if they didn't break the top 10. Hardly "relatively unknown" except maybe to people who didn't listen to rock music or FM radio at the time.
Yes, both bands were popular, thank you very much.
I can name more than 12.
Now you are just being silly.
Dude, you're talking like you are in on some well-kept secret. I have the same boxscores and many many more.
Happens all the time.
But the real problem is Live Nation and U2 not allowing any bad publicity. The shows are not sellouts in that they were full to capacity. They were sellouts in the minds of Live Nation and U2. I have made this point earlier that this is similar to bean counters at Goldman Sachs or Wallstreet. Limit information and keep the buzz alive.
People should know how poor some of the $250 seats are for this show. It would be better to buy the cheaper seats as there is little difference in perception from a far. Think how many southern Californians paid 250 and they were 1/4 mile from stage. Rose bowl is large and wide compared to newer stadiums.
This tour has been greatest hits tour (pay for the infrustructure) and all we can hope is next year they won't be worried about paying the bills and might play songs not often heard. I was looking at the DVD's band has released and you could find about 10 songs or more that have been on every tour for decade.
I watch Rolling Stones show on MTV recently which was a stadium arena tour from 80's. Philly I beleive) The setlist went all the way back to their first albums just like they did in 2005.
Also I didnt see any monitors scrolling the lyrics for Mick as he ran around the stage like a tiger on a mission. There wasn't even a video screen shown (not sure if they had one) so Stones had to do their magic with music and Mick's swagger.
The other thing I notice is the ego part of performance. Most bands never mention their stage or props (how do you like our space ship etc) or do they mention how many people are in attendance (more then the pope)
Usually a bands come out and play their music and let it do the bragging. Maybe that is what Bono needs to do.
Or just be honest and say we had a great tour made lots of Freaking $$$$$ and most of the shows were filled to capacity but a few shows didn't sell out.....So maybe we need to make a few changes (lower ticket prices) etc.
I also find it interesting the band isn't going below mason dixon line in 2010 except for Miami... What are you afraid of???
Not Selling out a show??????
I saw Eagles Fleetwood Mac Stadium show and it was a double bill show. Fleetwood was hot at the time as they had just gotten the 2 girls singing etc. People were there for both bands.
Then in 79-80 The Police did a stadium tour that was probably the best I have witnessed.
But the real problem is Live Nation and U2 not allowing any bad publicity. The shows are not sellouts in that they were full to capacity. They were sellouts in the minds of Live Nation and U2. I have made this point earlier that this is similar to bean counters at Goldman Sachs or Wallstreet. Limit information and keep the buzz alive.
People should know how poor some of the $250 seats are for this show. It would be better to buy the cheaper seats as there is little difference in perception from a far. Think how many southern Californians paid 250 and they were 1/4 mile from stage. Rose bowl is large and wide compared to newer stadiums.
This tour has been greatest hits tour (pay for the infrustructure) and all we can hope is next year they won't be worried about paying the bills and might play songs not often heard. I was looking at the DVD's band has released and you could find about 10 songs or more that have been on every tour for decade.
I watch Rolling Stones show on MTV recently which was a stadium arena tour from 80's. Philly I beleive) The setlist went all the way back to their first albums just like they did in 2005.
Also I didnt see any monitors scrolling the lyrics for Mick as he ran around the stage like a tiger on a mission. There wasn't even a video screen shown (not sure if they had one) so Stones had to do their magic with music and Mick's swagger.
The other thing I notice is the ego part of performance. Most bands never mention their stage or props (how do you like our space ship etc) or do they mention how many people are in attendance (more then the pope)
I also find it interesting the band isn't going below mason dixon line in 2010 except for Miami... What are you afraid of???
Not Selling out a show??????
If that were the case, every concert would be marked a sellout.
Again, my statement of relatively unknown refered to the summer when the album was first released. I mistakenly thought that was the summer of 1976 instead of 1975.
Its also not clear that the album had sold 4.5 million copies by the time they were opening for The Eagles in 1976. The album is certified for 5 million in sales in the USA, but that occured in October 1986, 10 years after the fact.
There is a difference between a band that has multiple hit albums and one that has only had one hit album. Most people I would think understand that difference.
Well, then what are you waiting for? Name them and their boxoffice results.
Its your logic, and yes I agree, it is silly. If Billboard is only reporting results without checking or verifiying what is reported as YOU CLAIM, then you should be able to report that you soldout the Rose Bowl, or The Staples Center, or some theater in the LA area, and then we should all be able to view the reported Boxscore on next weeks Boxscore chart.
So go ahead and contact Billboard and tell them you soldout some venue in the LA area and we should be able to see it on the following weeks Billboard.Biz Boxscore chart. Of course, let us know the artist name that your going to use.
Yet, your still claiming that a promoter can simply state a concert is soldout at any time. So why are so many of Springsteen's concerts not listed as sellouts? Why are there Springsteen shows that are listed as being soldout even though the capacity of the venue is actually larger than the attendance level listed for the sellout?
Again, if a promoter could declare sellout at any time, all concerts would be listed as soldout. Why would a promoter decide to not list a concert as being soldout when there were only 53 tickets left if he could do so? Especially when another performance with the same promoter was listed as a sellout, despite not having an attendance as high as the maximum physical capacity of the venue.
Simply put, no.If that were the case, every concert would be marked a sellout.
Actually, she could if she wanted to. She was going to co-headline stadiums with Kanye West in 2010 before he canceled on her.Lady GaGa is "hot" right now, but she can't co-headline a stadium show with anyone.
Box Scores weres originally a tool for promotors to assess risk back when most promotors were regional or local, not for fanboys to wank themselves to sleep over. Very rarely did you have one promotor handling an entire tour under close media scrutiny.
But not relatively unknown. A band that was together about a decade had a breakthrough album with many hit songs.
Sure, some on the heels of Rumors, but enough to headline some stadium gigs of their own that year.
Things were different in 1970's. Music itself was much bigger than it is now.
I would hardly classify Fleetwood Mac as a potential one hit wonder in 1976, they were near the forefront of a music scene that was also massive in popularity (and the Eagles/Fleetwood Mac lineup may be returning to stadiums in 2010).
If you want box office results, find them yourself.
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Maybe when the tour XXXX is putting together for early 2010 comes around I will be able to provide more inside.
Springsteen uses different promotors depending on the market. He is also notorious as a high cost/high risk act who promotors often take a loss on.
Again, Box Scores is a tool promotors use to share info with each other. The U2 tour is unique in that there is only one promotor and a lot of media scrutiny. This is not like other tours.
Simply put, no.
In 2007, Japanese metal band Dir en grey headlined NA for the first time. They played clubs, meaning you HAVE to sell out each ticket. Promoter said 5 shows sold out. Promoter was lying, as Dir en grey only sold out Toronto.
Actually, she could if she wanted to. She was going to co-headline stadiums with Kanye West in 2010 before he canceled on her
This is off the subject a tad, but was there ever any boxscores produced for Robbie Williams? Especially for the Close Encounters Tour? He played to something like 2.7 million people in stadiums in Europe on that tour. Just wondering.
Maoil is the only one who is giving facts and this other guy is too lazy to back up the words that are coming out of his rear end.
He is also making ridiculous statements like "report yourself sold out to Pollstar," that casts further doubt on his credibility. I am not a musician or performer of any kind so I will not be selling out any shows any shows anywhere or drawing any people to anyplace on planet Earth any time soon.
He is also making ridiculous statements like "report yourself sold out to Pollstar," that casts further doubt on his credibility. I am not a musician or performer of any kind so I will not be selling out any shows any shows anywhere or drawing any people to anyplace on planet Earth any time soon.
This is off the subject a tad, but was there ever any boxscores produced for Robbie Williams? Especially for the Close Encounters Tour? He played to something like 2.7 million people in stadiums in Europe on that tour. Just wondering.