RED (WIRE) - Video clip of a new Christmas U2 song (11/30/08)

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You should try it, you might find it very exciting. :sexywink:

I've found the concerts I went to exciting enough. The only thing I could live without is the pre-tour ticket stress :crazy:

But you're right, we shouldn't generalize.

But some of the constant whiners here have said themselves that they are deluded because they have seen U2 so many times. I think it's sad.
 
I think having a impartial view about U2's current or previous work is not whining...
Even if we consider the greastest band in the world surey they are not perfect.

We must be realistic and start to think that their peak was long ago, which doesn't necessary means that they will not be able to create good music anymore. Just don't expect bombastic, groundbreaking or world conquering hits like SBS, PRIDE, With or without you or One. OK, maybe some new song could be a new classic, but in realistic terms the full album hardly will be on the same level as JT or AB. And sure, his voice will be miles aways from his best form...
 
We must be realistic and start to think that their peak was long ago, which doesn't necessary means that they will not be able to create good music anymore. Just don't expect bombastic, groundbreaking or world conquering hits like SBS, PRIDE, With or without you or One. OK, maybe some new song could be a new classic, but in realistic terms the full album hardly will be on the same level as JT or AB. And sure, his voice will be miles aways from his best form...

Are you aware you're stating an OPINION? What you say is not fact, people should not change because of what you think; why is this so hard to understand?

It's possible for someone to hate THT And AB and think the new albums are the best thing ever, why? Because music is subjective, please learn this
 
Are you aware you're stating an OPINION? What you say is not fact, people should not change because of what you think; why is this so hard to understand?

It's possible for someone to hate THT And AB and think the new albums are the best thing ever, why? Because music is subjective, please learn this


Is Barack Obama the new president or in the opinion from the people who didn't vote for him he is just the new guy that will live in the White House?

I think, no i'm sure that there are many many more people who prefer JT and AB than people who prefer the most recent album.

So in the GENERAL VIEW, those albums are the most important, most complete, most relevant and even the most successful of U2. So i think its more than MY opinion.
 
The best part is that people that have seen the most shows - 10 or more - tend to whine more.

It's like relationships for most people. First couple of years (newbe u2 fans<5) they are excited as one could possibly get. you adore this other person. Than after a couple of years the being in love turns in to love (older fans 5 to 10 years-loyality). Then you sit on the couch together and think what has become of my life (fans longer than 10 years.) and start to complain because you miss the spark of being in love and the security of love.

like I said, this goes for most people not all of them. And for the second time in my life I am a newbe :love:

and yes, Bono sucks these days (since 1995) at singing the verses, the chorusses he still gets into VERY good and I think his igh voice sounds amazing on the christmas track. it is the verse he sings that I absolutely detest and is a joke compard to his early work
 
Is Barack Obama the new president or in the opinion from the people who didn't vote for him he is just the new guy that will live in the White House?

I think, no i'm sure that there are many many more people who prefer JT and AB than people who prefer the most recent album.

So in the GENERAL VIEW, those albums are the most important, most complete, most relevant and even the most successful of U2. So i think its more than MY opinion.

Wow, I think you may have just come up with the worst (read: least relevant) analogy ever.

Edit: not only is the analogy irrelevant, but the initial premise about Barack Obama is completely nonsensical.
 
It's like relationships for most people. First couple of years (newbe u2 fans<5) they are excited as one could possibly get. you adore this other person. Than after a couple of years the being in love turns in to love (older fans 5 to 10 years-loyality). Then you sit on the couch together and think what has become of my life (fans longer than 10 years.) and start to complain because you miss the spark of being in love and the security of love.

like I said, this goes for most people not all of them. And for the second time in my life I am a newbe :love:

and yes, Bono sucks these days (since 1995) at singing the verses, the chorusses he still gets into VERY good and I think his igh voice sounds amazing on the christmas track. it is the verse he sings that I absolutely detest and is a joke compard to his early work

I hadn't thought too much about this, but I would tend to agree that his verses have been signficantly less exciting/rousing/interesting melodically on recent albums. I'm thinking here of songs like COBL, New York, MD, SYCMIOYO, etc. (Lest there be any confusion, I actually happen to like these songs, particularly the first 2).

Thankfully, the beach clips imply that someone has conveyed this to Bono. "Only Love" has a great, haunting verse sound and "Breathe" has the most intensely rocking verse he's ever done.
 
Wow, I think you may have just come up with the worst (read: least relevant) analogy ever.

Edit: not only is the analogy irrelevant, but the initial premise about Barack Obama is completely nonsensical.


Think again "ever-boy"! :hyper:
 
Wow, I think you may have just come up with the worst (read: least relevant) analogy ever.

Edit: not only is the analogy irrelevant, but the initial premise about Barack Obama is completely nonsensical.

Read again: GENERAL VIEW!
Think again: JT and AB are considered the peak because the GREAT MAJORITY think that. Opinion of many are more important than opinion of a few. Because of that Obama is the president. That's the analogy. I thought you would be smarter than that...
 
Read again: GENERAL VIEW!
Think again: JT and AB are considered the peak because the GREAT MAJORITY think that. Opinion of many are more important than opinion of a few. Because of that Obama is the president. That's the analogy. I thought you would be smarter than that...

Jesus you really are ignorant.
 
It's like relationships for most people. First couple of years (newbe u2 fans<5) they are excited as one could possibly get. you adore this other person. Than after a couple of years the being in love turns in to love (older fans 5 to 10 years-loyality). Then you sit on the couch together and think what has become of my life (fans longer than 10 years.) and start to complain because you miss the spark of being in love and the security of love.

like I said, this goes for most people not all of them. And for the second time in my life I am a newbe :love:

and yes, Bono sucks these days (since 1995) at singing the verses, the chorusses he still gets into VERY good and I think his igh voice sounds amazing on the christmas track. it is the verse he sings that I absolutely detest and is a joke compard to his early work

This would have been a great analogy for me if you would have said "some" instead of "most" in your 2nd paragraph.
 
Read again: GENERAL VIEW!
Think again: JT and AB are considered the peak because the GREAT MAJORITY think that. Opinion of many are more important than opinion of a few. Because of that Obama is the president. That's the analogy. I thought you would be smarter than that...

1) Whether or not Barack Obama has been elected president does not fall under the realm of opinion. Not even remotely. This is probably as clear-cut a fact as you could possibly find, hence my justifiably extreme criticism of your analogy.

2) If you took some time to catch your breath, took your fingers off the Caps and exclamation points, and generally toned down your rhetoric, you'd perhaps be pleasantly surprised to find that most people here would agree with your opinion. I certainly would. I consider JT and AB their best albums to date, hands down. I also think that their last 2 albums fit comfortably in their overall body of work--not their best, but not embarrassments by any means. While my opinion, this is certainly backed up by (majority!) critical, public, and fan reaction.

3) The problem with the discussion of Bono's voice is that the conversation has decidedly entered into a fantasy realm. What I mean by this is as follows: expectations vary significantly among the fanbase, but they should remain tethered at least loosely to reality. Bono is almost 50. If you want his vocal chords to remain 27 years old, then that is flat-out unrealistic. If you continue to bemoan this point, you have every right to do that, but it inevitably makes you sound like a tired (intentional usage), boorish person with little grasp of reality and therefore little of value to add to a discussion.

4) Opinion of many is certainly not more important than opinion of the few. Does the passing of Proposition 8 make the majority view in California correct? One of the reasons the Supreme Court is given so much power and does not have to answer to the public is to prevent the majority from abusing and descriminating against various minority groups.

Minority opinions are perfectly valid and are not less "worthy", ESPECIALLY when dealing with art.
 
This would have been a great analogy for me if you would have said "some" instead of "most" in your 2nd paragraph.


Honestly I think the analogy sucks.

I'm not a fan of a band because I want them to become part of my everyday life.

Everyday life is frustrating enough. I'm a fan of a band - and U2 in particular - to get away from everyday life. They are still able to lift my spirit up with their music, to touch and move me and to bring out emotions. I could never get used to it like you get used to your job or your relationship, that's just a scary thought.

And I wouldn't want negative thoughts or emotions to get in the way. My fandom is one of the most positive things in my life and I want to keep it that way. I like to be in love more than anything else.
 
As for Bono not being very good at singing the verses: OK, you might have an argument here. Generally I think Bono needs a challenge to be real good, and this song isn't exactly challenging. I don't see what else he's supposed to do with this song than singing it in a subdued and calm and very simple way. I don't think it has to do with him not being able, it has to do with the structure of the song. There are certainly U2 songs that are far more exciting, but I feel that his singing fits for this song.
 
1) Whether or not Barack Obama has been elected president does not fall under the realm of opinion. Not even remotely. This is probably as clear-cut a fact as you could possibly find, hence my justifiably extreme criticism of your analogy.

2) If you took some time to catch your breath, took your fingers off the Caps and exclamation points, and generally toned down your rhetoric, you'd perhaps be pleasantly surprised to find that most people here would agree with your opinion. I certainly would. I consider JT and AB their best albums to date, hands down. I also think that their last 2 albums fit comfortably in their overall body of work--not their best, but not embarrassments by any means. While my opinion, this is certainly backed up by (majority!) critical, public, and fan reaction.

3) The problem with the discussion of Bono's voice is that the conversation has decidedly entered into a fantasy realm. What I mean by this is as follows: expectations vary significantly among the fanbase, but they should remain tethered at least loosely to reality. Bono is almost 50. If you want his vocal chords to remain 27 years old, then that is flat-out unrealistic. If you continue to bemoan this point, you have every right to do that, but it inevitably makes you sound like a tired (intentional usage), boorish person with little grasp of reality and therefore little of value to add to a discussion.

4) Opinion of many is certainly not more important than opinion of the few. Does the passing of Proposition 8 make the majority view in California correct? One of the reasons the Supreme Court is given so much power and does not have to answer to the public is to prevent the majority from abusing and descriminating against various minority groups.

Minority opinions are perfectly valid and are not less "worthy", ESPECIALLY when dealing with art.

OMG!! All i'm trying to say that their peak was JT and AB! You can't deny that! Maybe a small percentage thinks otherwise. So it's not a matter of opinion as it was said before.
Its something proved by the public and critical aclaim!! Its simple, you people try to complicate things.
I understand that you respect their more recent work. I do too. I'm eagerly expecting this new album as much as you. But please don't try to convice me or most people that their peak could be Pop or ATYCLB.
It's their work in the 80's that made them a world phenomenon and AB that elevated them to geniouses. Pop ATYCLB and Bomb, although respectable work, its not on par with JT and AB.


New album will surpass JT? Possibly could. Probably won't.
 
this is an incredible amount of talk generated by a throw-away Christmas song... Bono God have mercy on our souls when the new album is released...


I agree! But i think it would have been much less talk about this song if some people would give up with the idea that it is one of best Bono(God) vocals EVER!
 
OMG!! All i'm trying to say that their peak was JT and AB! You can't deny that! Maybe a small percentage thinks otherwise. So it's not a matter of opinion as it was said before.
Its something proved by the public and critical aclaim!! Its simple, you people try to complicate things.
I understand that you respect their more recent work. I do too. I'm eagerly expecting this new album as much as you. But please don't try to convice me or most people that their peak could be Pop or ATYCLB.
It's their work in the 80's that made them a world phenomenon and AB that elevated them to geniouses. Pop ATYCLB and Bomb, although respectable work, its not on par with JT and AB.


New album will surpass JT? Possibly could. Probably won't.

First, I agree with you that JT and AB are their best as I said in the post that you just quoted. But, frankly, you are wrong that it is not a matter of opinion. There are many long-time fans around here who know much more about U2 than you and me that will tell you that the Unforgettable Fire is their best album. Or War. Or Zooropa.
 
I agree! But i think it would have been much less talk about this song if some people would give up with the idea that it is one of best Bono(God) vocals EVER!

I challenge you to find anyone who said that.

Many people think he laid down a great vocal. I don't think anyone came close to saying it was one of his best ever. Big difference. I think it's a good performance for a 48-year old (with significant vocal health issues in his past) who probably did very few takes.
 
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