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Old 12-23-2001, 03:57 PM   #1
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They are bought by different companies.



BTW nice cesspool you´ve just opened...
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Old 12-23-2001, 05:09 PM   #2
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Democrats and Republicans, U2girl. Parties from the dinosaur age, largely irrelevant, but good for partisan clashes in Congress, if you're in to that sort of thing.
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people died so that we could have the freedom to get involved in politics. they probably died in your country too at some point. take the time to care, b/c one day it could be gone and you could be ruled by a dictator and then all you're gonna do is wish that you could have a stupid election to follow.

that being said, the most general way i can describe the differences between republicans and democrats is (and i recognize that this is horrible stereotyping):

democrats: big goverment, lots of money spent on public projects like welface, healthcare etc. goverment oversight of business. environment over business. liberal policies in general. strict separation of church and state. smaller millitary.

republicans. small government. control of money left to states. less government oversight of business sector. environment often loses out to business. church and state not so separate. prayer in school, faith based initiatives etc. restrictions on abortion. bigger military. isolationism. conservative policies in general.

the truth is both of those are terrible stereotypes and there are republicans who vote like democrats and democrats who vote like republicans. and there are other political parties, including the Green Party (Ralph Nader), the Reform Party (Jesse Ventura, Ross Perot) and a mileu of another lesser known parties, all known as Independants in the House and Senate. One of the advantages to a two party, and also at the same time a disadvantage, is that coalition goverments do not exist. Good because you don't have these horrible sitations where the coalition falls apart and the goverment collapses, and bad in the sense that party lines are drawn very tightly and animosity and gridlock can be really annoying. Our founders designed our system that way for a very important reason. They didn't want to give anyone the opportunity to have complete power. Gridlock ensures that what policies are crafted are truly a consenses and thus a will of the people.

Enough civics lessons from me. Anyone else want to give this a shot?
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There is very little difference between the Democrats and the Republicans. They both push the same legislation and rarely if ever disagree on anything substantial.

Only time they ever really differ is on the issue of abortion. Other than that, the Democrats will try to give a tiny, tiny, tiny bit of help to middle and lower class people, but that is just to maintain their image as the supporters of people who are not rich.

Calling the Democrats liberals is just plain stupid. They are the liberal wing of the Republican party, and are just as conservative and corrupt as the Republicans are. They spend a lot of time convicing people otherwise, but most people fail to look at what the Democrats are really up to.

They both conspire to make sure no third party ever gains popular exposure in the media. They set the rules for public election money and who gets to appear on the debates to ensure that the only people who manage to be real contenders are Democrats and Republicans.

Members of both parties have said that allowing a 3rd party is UnAmerican.

Basically, they are scared shitless of someone like Ralph Nader getting up in front of the TV audience on the televised debate and making everyone painfully aware of how corrupt and ineffective both parties are.

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What's the difference between the Republic and Liberal party in US politics?

I always thought it was interesting Americans only have 2 parties in the senate (right?), and i was always curious what they are about. How do they differ from one another?

ps: i'm not into politics (i never know who to vote for when it comes to parliament elections in our country - i think all parties make promises before the election comes, so i sort of don't know who to choose. and i don't pay much attention to politics in everyday apart from what comes in the newspaper or TV news) or anything, just wondering.

pps: Never mind the typo i the title topic - that's RepubliCAN, not Republic.
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Democrats and Republicans, U2girl.
Ooops! Of course, Democrats, not Liberals.

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Thanks for clearing those things up for me, everyone.

Popkid: true, people have died for my country's freedom in WW II, and in the war against Yugoslavia in 1991.
What i meant was that i don't follow closely to the party programmes, values etc. during the year, and it seems to me like parties in my country bicker among themselves instead of working for the nation's own good. (they do agree on things like EU membership, NATO membership etc.)
There are issues going on (i really don't want to bore anyone with details) that i don't feel connected to, as they were started way before i was even born.
And when the pre-election time comes, everyone is full of promises. All the things the parties are saying make sense to me, so i can't pick.

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U2girl -
As you can see, the difference between the Republican and Democratic parties is largely an issue of personal opinion. I would say that the vast majority of people in the U.S. (right or wrong) would not agree with Doctor Gonzo's take on it. If you stopped the average person on the street, the most likely reply would sound something like what popkid said.
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As you can see, the difference between the Republican and Democratic parties is largely an issue of personal opinion. I would say that the vast majority of people in the U.S. (right or wrong) would not agree with Doctor Gonzo's take on it. If you stopped the average person on the street, the most likely reply would sound something like what popkid said.

True.. I agree with Popkid as well.. Stereotypes afloat...

Democrats.. Want to control the money.. and want to give it to the poor and middle class... A sort of Take from the Innocent and Hard Working rich and give to the poor... and leave very little freedom in the hands of the people

Republicans.. Want people to strive to better themselves, Want people to work to be successful, and will help out those that are truly in need, but leave a lot of freedom in the hands of the people
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My guess is that Lemonite votes for the Republicans. Try to be objective if you really want to explain something to an outsider.
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Hehehe.. so according to Lemonite, the Democrats are the absolute type of the primitive Communists and maybe close friends or were once part of the Soviets, and the Republicans are the absolute freedom, the absolute truth and, would I say.... our messiah, our saviors, our heroes. And the working class is just a pain in the ass.

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I may be new at this, but I don't understand why people are ripping Lemonite when what Doc Gonzo said was a lot more controversial. Though Lemonite seems to favor Republicanism, Doc is seeping Green.

The "ineffectiveness" of these two parties, bipartisanship being a tradition in American Politics, has given Americans the freedom to debate our government, where as in other parts of the world, no such freedom is granted.

Third Parties are rising in membership and popularity, however, due to the process by which people are elected to Congress, beginning with primaries, the system does favor a two-party method.

So if a person wants to change that system, he should get out there and give it all he's got, rather than just vent on Interference.

And I would have a few choice words about Ralph Nader and his party, but in the spirit of the Holiday, I'll abstain.

Merry Christmas to all!
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What's a cesspool Dr Teeth?
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Old 12-24-2001, 10:15 PM   #13
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I may be new at this, but I don't understand why people are ripping Lemonite when what Doc Gonzo said was a lot more controversial. Though Lemonite seems to favor Republicanism, Doc is seeping Green.
Seeping Green?

How 'bout seeping Libertarian?

Or seeping Reform?

All three parties, despite their ideological differences seem to agree on the issue.
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Once again I find myself agreeing with DoctorGonzo. The two major political parties are essentially the same, but they find small, insignificant issues to squabble about.
My parents, family and quite a few of my friends agree that the Republicans and Democrats are nothing more than puppets for the upper-class twits and mutli-national corporations that give them money to run their campaigns.
If you want to know the difference between the Independent Parties (Reform, Libertarian, Green, etc) and the Republicrats (a fusion of Democratics and Republicans) you need to look at who donates to each party.

The majority of Americans do not vote, so that means that only 15% consider themselves Democrats and 15% consider themselves Republicans. This leaves about 20% that are moderates that feel compelled to vote either way simply because they don't want to "throw their vote away on a 3rd party". The other 50% have basically given up on the American Political Party and are so overworked in their minimum wage paying jobs that they don't have the strength or obility to organize a powerful alternative to the current state of affairs.

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The U.S. has a single-party system. There are 2 factions of that party, which receive money from a slightly different but very much overlapping set of companies - and in fact the differences in this respect are now fairly small. Financially, while it would be very wrong to over-generalize, the Republicans represent the upper class and part of the upper middle-class. The Democrats represent a portion of the upper middle class and most of the middle class.

The poor mostly don't vote and have no voice in the U.S. Despite the incredible economic boom, the poor of America continue to do worse in most indicators of social and economic well-being - health care, infant mortality, educational indicators, you name it. Neither "party" really represents the their interests or those of unified labor (unlike most other democracies).
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Hehehe.. so according to Lemonite, the Democrats are the absolute type of the primitive Communists and maybe close friends or were once part of the Soviets, and the Republicans are the absolute freedom, the absolute truth and, would I say.... our messiah, our saviors, our heroes. And the working class is just a pain in the ass.

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Ah. My Dearie Holy John.. the question had already been answered, both in a slanted (Gonzo) way and an objective (Popkid) way.. As I stated in my post, 'stereotypes' afloat means that a stereotype is to follow...

Hehehe.. I like it how you will rip me for not being 'objective', when objective answers have already been posted.. yet you take what i said and warp it to become more extreme using swear words.. (Didn't your business ethics professor teach you anything about credibility) That's a healthy way to chide someone for having a bit of enjoyment in a post that is all but done what the initial questioner asked by the time I posted.. I waited for someone to explain it.. then jumped in...

But honestly, how far off am I? or the many many people that make the same sort of generalizations.. What have the democrats done for the poor.. Have the Blacks gotten anywhere better than they were twenty years ago.. seriously.. any ground?.. While at the same time, the Republicans make efforts to help everyone.. it just happens that with equaling up tax rates.. the rich will have to pay significantly less.. but everyone is paying the same 'ratio' of their money.. Hence because of this.. teh Republicans become painted as Monsters.. as they have been called here before..

Hope this helps.. and a bit of objectivity to those who apparently want it. Smile folks..

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I am reminded of the saying (rephrased as I cannot recall the ACTUAL saying if it even exists) "Democracy is pain in the a**, but it works better than anything else".

I whole heartedly agree with this. I remember the whole election process we witnessed this last year. In a government without the checks and balances that ours has that could have been a very very bad situation. This country has never had a military coup or take over much less anything nearly as destructive or nightmarish. Whatever side of the fence you land on, or if you land on the fence polotics is something we should care about. We should be educated. I encourage partisianship as people with strong beliefs are active. They may not be the most opened minded but most people in general aren't.

I think an interesting point that was brought up earlier in the thread was the demographics that the parties appeal and campaign too. I think we can credit the renewed awareness of this to Bill Clinton. Rarely does a polotician bring about such passion from people whether it be support or anger. In all reality these are the same emotions, just differently manifested. I also remember seeing a map displaying how the votes in this last presidential election played out. Democratic votes tended to come from very populate urban areas where as Republicans controled most of the land mass, but not a majority of the actual population. This is interesting as it seems that lower class seem to blindly follow the Democratic leadership and vote that ticket while the middle and upper class seem to do exactly the opposite. I think an even interesting study would be to break down Democrats and Republicans into age and gender groups. I would venture to say that many (if not a majority) of single women under 30 tend to believe in things that are part of the Democratic platform. I have seen surveys where that completely shifts when it comes to married women. Is this economcially based? I think it might be. Women are the swing vote in American polotics. Can we say a second term for Clinton? Whoever wants the power needs to appeal to single women in this country. Especially when 80% of people never vote.

I think American polotics is fascinating and an amazing system. That it was dreamed up over 200 years ago from scratch is a mind blow.

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I may be new at this, but I don't understand why people are ripping Lemonite when what Doc Gonzo said was a lot more controversial
Controversy is relative and based completely on your point of view.

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I expect the Democratic and Republican parties to disappear within 20 years.

That's how dead they are. ::yawning smiley::
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I am reminded of the saying (rephrased as I cannot recall the ACTUAL saying if it even exists) "Democracy is pain in the a**, but it works better than anything else".
I believe Sir Winston Churchill said something among the lines of: "Democracy is the worst form of politics apart for all the other ones".

My favourite is: "Democracy is nothing more than two wolves and one goat deciding which of the three is going to be eaten".
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