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Old 07-17-2002, 08:50 PM   #81
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even though I admit that I posted this thread while being extremely pissed off (and it takes a lot to piss me off) because of certain comments I read in other threads

was that a wise decision?
maybe not,
another option was to forget I am a mod and just rip into the person who annoyed me

would that have been a better decision?
I think not

my last option was to just keep my mouth shut
again
would that solve anything?
this place does a nice enough job of getting out of control without any help of me or so called "loaded questions" from me

I asked what "free your mind" means to you
the reason why I asked it is because I genuinely feel some members do about anything they can think of in this forum except for being open to other people's believes, convictions etc etc
I added the part of "using it against you" because I was pissed off and because I actually would use it against anyone if I should ever get this pissed of again

Perhaps if you are really that pissed at some individual then perhaps you should use some method of telling them so they know.

I think asking this question with the sole intention of using it against this individual is probably taking the low road
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Old 07-17-2002, 08:54 PM   #82
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You are Z Man, z edge.

If I may, an analogy.

There is a difference between killing civilians and WANTING to kill civilians. The difference is one of intent. The vast majority of the time, the United States military does not WANT to kill civilians, does not intentionally kill civilians, and does its best to avoid doing so while still accomplishing its military objectives.

On other hand, the terrorists that sent passenger jets into the World Trade Center WANTED TO KILL CIVILIANS. They and their leadership gloried in the possibility of killing as many innocent lives as possible.


What does this have to do with the conversation at hand?

Well, I believe that even IF Republican policies hurt the environment, children, and the elderly, that such damage is NEVER the intent. There are NO "Republican efforts to destroy the environment, starve kids, and hurt the elderly."

To suggest otherwise, to suggest that we INTENTIONALLY plan the deaths of senior citizens is to suggest that we are simply evil - at LEAST as evil as the al Queda terrorists.

Rob, you ARE repeatedly making such an accusation, and it is FAR, FAR more offensive than my use of any profanity.
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Old 07-17-2002, 09:03 PM   #83
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You are Z Man, z edge.

If I may, an analogy.

There is a difference between killing civilians and WANTING to kill civilians. The difference is one of intent. The vast majority of the time, the United States military does not WANT to kill civilians, does not intentionally kill civilians, and does its best to avoid doing so while still accomplishing its military objectives.
YES! How nice of someone to insinuate that we enjoy killing babies. Thanks! Anyone with half a brain who wants to know the truth please ask me about it.

One more time for those who don't know

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On other hand, the terrorists that sent passenger jets into the World Trade Center WANTED TO KILL CIVILIANS. They and their leadership gloried in the possibility of killing as many innocent lives as possible.
once again correct
even my ( a liberal) mother is supporting Bush and was shocked into disbelief as the nature of these bastards has unveiled, including on the news program where they foiled a plot to blow up 10 Boeing 747's ( in 95 or 96) and had her thinking aloud "i dont care what happend to those people (terrorists)"


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What does this have to do with the conversation at hand?

Well, I believe that even IF Republican policies hurt the environment, children, and the elderly, that such damage is NEVER the intent. There are NO "Republican efforts to destroy the environment, starve kids, and hurt the elderly."

To suggest otherwise, to suggest that we INTENTIONALLY plan the deaths of senior citizens is to suggest that we are simply evil - at LEAST as evil as the al Queda terrorists.

Rob, you ARE repeatedly making such an accusation, and it is FAR, FAR more offensive than my use of any profanity.
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Old 07-17-2002, 09:43 PM   #84
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ROBBIE PLEZ TAKE HEED...

MrSomeoneRobbieToBlame-
Please be more openminded as you encourage us Republican folk to be.
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Ah, the All Opinions Are Valid school of thought.

Three problems with this belief:

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2) Those like Rafmed claim to believe that "all opinions are valid," but they can't POSSIBLY mean it. Otherwise, they would never criticize anyone else's opinion. Ever.

What they really believe is "all opinions are valid, except for those that believe otherwise." That's a BIT different, and it seems like a very arbitrary line to draw.


3) In the end, nobody REALLY believes this brand of subjectivism, anyway.

Rafmed claims that "I only know that I don't know anything." I don't think he really believes it.

First, I bet he believes such obvious truths as "1+1=2." Beyond that, if someone wrongs Rafmed - takes something that belongs to him or lies about him - I bet he REALLY thinks that an objective moral law was actually broken.

Otherwise, most humans would never appeal to things like "fairness," would never try to explain to the other why his action was wrong.
2) To disagree doesn't mean to disrespect, I never said one can't criticize a position or a point of view, or in your case, many times your "dogmas" or your infalible "truth", if you can't accept that people around the world can have another opinions and point of views, then what is the point in a forum like this one?

3) You obviously have no idea what "I only know that I don't know anything" was meant for.

In any case, the first to state that I'm not perfect or have the ultimate truth, its me, obviously not your case, maybe you need that the world work exactly and perfectly by your own set of rules, and if someone disagree with you, seems like the cosmic order may be broken, seriously I think this is a place to share opinions not to preach.
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Upon second consideration - and talking with my girlfriend, if you must know the truth of it - I have come to the conclusion that my reaction to Rob's posts were not in any way a Christian reaction.

Rob accused a political party, the party to which I am affiliated, of conspiring to kill the old, starve the young, and destroy the planet - he accused my party of being evil.

I should have turned the other cheek, and I did not. I should have not used any profanities, called the comment idiotic, or even defended my party from such accusations.

In defense of my behavior, I would ask all of you to consider whether you could have held your tongue given such comments. I would also ask, before you accuse me of constantly behaving this way, consider how I've acted in the religion threads; when I have faced opinions that were very different to my own - different, but well-reasoned and certainly not offensive - I have been more than capable of maintaining a very civil debate.

But for my actions here, I apologize.

In the end, I ask only two things. First, I ask that everyone would consider how offensive Rob's accusation really is and refrain from such an accusation unless there is an avanlanche of evidence to suggest otherwise. Second, I ask the moderators to consider equating such an accusation to the use of the "Nazi" epithet - a word that Elvis has already criticized in detail.

If that is not going to happen, I would appreciate the moderators telling us as quickly as possible, so that we conservative Republicans can reconsider whether the discussions in this forum are worth the cost of subjecting ourselves to this openly hostile environment.

Either way, I sincerely apologize and pledge to improve my control of my temper.
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Hey, Bubba, it happens to the best of us. I can see how you lost it. I can see why you'd be upset at that sort of accusation. I admit to being, uh, more leftist in my political views than you are, but I'd never say that about conservative Republicans. I'm capable of lighting a few fireworks upon occasion myself. Sometimes I get peeved at my fellow liberals, and yes, sometimes I get peeved at conservatives. But accusing someone of blatantly plotting to kill or whatever isn't something I'd ever do. I'm glad you've settled on the right thing to do--i agree with you there---but don't judge yourself too harshly. At the end of a day we're all flesh and blood.
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In closing, I would only add that many examples exist of Republican efforts to destroy the environment, starve kids, and hurt the elderly...I'm just not going to take the time to spell them out for you, well, ok...maybe just one for the road.......ANWAR.
What about the Alaskan Democrats and the labor union people who support drilling in ANWR? Does this mean they are joining in on the effort to destroy the environment, starve kids, and hurt the elderly?

And conversely, does that mean that the entire bi-partisan delegation of Florida, along with their Republican governor and House & Senate, want to save the environment, feed kids, and heal the elderly, since they are opposed to drilling in the Eastern Gulf of Mexico, whilst Alabama and Mississippi's Democratic governors and bi-partisan delegation (except for Bachus) WANT to drill in the region?

Forget about it; I agree with Sula here:

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Quite frankly, I'm getting sick of all the shit being thrown around here. It stinketh.
I have friends on both sides of the aisle in this forum, but the anger being thrown about is depressing. Maybe I really should "take my ball and go home." Or at least take my BEACH ball and go float in the Eastern Gulf of Mexico.

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You don't have to call me "mister," ma'am; THE WHOLE WORLD CALLS ME HANK!

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Maybe I really should "take my ball and go home." Or at least take my BEACH ball and go float in the Eastern Gulf of Mexico.

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Hey, Bubba, it happens to the best of us. I can see how you lost it. I can see why you'd be upset at that sort of accusation. I admit to being, uh, more leftist in my political views than you are, but I'd never say that about conservative Republicans. I'm capable of lighting a few fireworks upon occasion myself. Sometimes I get peeved at my fellow liberals, and yes, sometimes I get peeved at conservatives. But accusing someone of blatantly plotting to kill or whatever isn't something I'd ever do. I'm glad you've settled on the right thing to do--i agree with you there---but don't judge yourself too harshly. At the end of a day we're all flesh and blood.
What the nice libraian verte said I agree.
Bubba is a passionate proud person along w ZEdge.
I see alot of times Bubba pulls out adequate reference material and then he is ganged up on.


Ganged up on by a crowd of people.
A crowd of people ...who claim that empathy and compassion are one 2 cornerstones of their belief system
Whats up w/that?
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You're quite welcome. Egads, this sounds like something I'd say about the Klan or some outfit like that and I know you're totally against the Klan and their dirty ilk. The fact of the matter is that we are not talking about the Klan at all. I think conservatives care about people as much as I do, you just want to do something different about the problems they have. That's cool. It's like two different roads to the same destination. By the same token, I've known liberals who are as mean as snakes and only care about their egos. People like that can get lost for all I care. It's the meanness in politics that I hate, not the different ideas.
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