US Presidential Election XII - Page 43

Dfit00 · 09-03-2016, 06:38 PM

My point is the fact that the scope of legal immigration is so complex, restrictive and inaccessible to the point that immigrating "legally" and following the rules is out of the question.

Hence, the pathways to legal immigration cause the exploitation of the system itself which motivates immigrants to break the law to be within the law or within a "legal" status. This is the main reason of why the system is broken and why the privilege of immigrating legally does not necessarily go to those who need it the most, but rather to those willing to circumvent the law and pay its black market structure.

martha · 09-03-2016, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dfit00

My point is the fact that the scope of legal immigration is so complex, restrictive and inaccessible to the point that immigrating "legally" and following the rules is out of the question.

Really? And you know this how?

Headache in a Suitcase · 09-05-2016, 07:22 AM

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Donald Trump paid the IRS a $2,500 penalty this year, an official at Trump's company said, after it was revealed that Trump's charitable foundation had violated tax laws by giving a political contribution to a campaign group connected to Florida's attorney general.

The improper donation, a $25,000 gift from the Donald J. Trump Foundation, was made in 2013. At the time, Attorney General Pam Bondi was considering whether to investigate fraud allegations against Trump University. She decided not to pursue the case.

Awaiting the outrage from our GOP voters...

Waiting...

Waiting...

BEAL · 09-05-2016, 08:24 AM

Crooked Donald

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martha · 09-05-2016, 10:04 AM

If he'd emailed someone about it, then you'd have a real reason to say something.

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Hewson · 09-05-2016, 11:41 AM

So will Roger Goodell suspend Hillary for 4 games?

Dfit00 · 09-05-2016, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by martha

Really? And you know this how?

DaveC · 09-05-2016, 04:51 PM

the timeframes on that thing are absolute bullshit.

bono_212 · 09-05-2016, 09:49 PM

Just because you want something to be bullshit doesn't mean it is. It takes a LONG fucking time to become a citizen in the US for some people.

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trojanchick99 · 09-05-2016, 10:32 PM

Hillary has consumption?

corianderstem · 09-05-2016, 10:34 PM

Hillary's got the black lung, pop. *cough cough*

martha · 09-05-2016, 11:38 PM

Get the flashlight!

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deep · 09-05-2016, 11:47 PM

toxoplasmosis

DaveC · 09-06-2016, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by bono_212

Just because you want something to be bullshit doesn't mean it is. It takes a LONG fucking time to become a citizen in the US for some people.

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i know people who have emigrated to the United States from here that didn't have to wait anywhere near that long, and they didn't have American relatives nor were they rich. they mainly just worked hard, focused on a plan and got good jobs down there.

LuckyNumber7 · 09-06-2016, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DaveC

i know people who have emigrated to the United States from here that didn't have to wait anywhere near that long, and they didn't have American relatives nor were they rich. they mainly just worked hard, focused on a plan and got good jobs down there.

When comparing Canadians to other immigrants in the United States, Canadians are at a considerable advantage. Even if we are just talking about the ability to get a green card and be a hard worker. The language is the same. The dialect is the same. The society is the same. The culture is virtually the same.

More specifically, there's simply much easier access to the US for a Canadian. No entry visa requirements. Relaxed border security. Pre-flight customs clearance.

Canadians are allowed temporary stay without consular approval. They're granted special work visas... small aside but the same special work visas Mexicans can get as North Americans...

And even for Canadians, it's still not simple. The very reason I'm born in the United States and not Canada is because my illegal Canadian immigrant father couldn't get his job legally. Why leave Canada? Saskatchewan is cold as fuck. My aunt came in from Canada around 2000 or so. She's still not a citizen. My cousin, her son, came when he was 10. He just got his citizenship.

Mind you, my dad is a doctor and my aunt is a pharmacist. I could see how this process is exceedingly more difficult for technically unskilled workers from countries not named Canada, given how uneasy their paths to citizenship were/have been.

Popmartijn · 09-06-2016, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by bono_212

Just because you want something to be bullshit doesn't mean it is. It takes a LONG fucking time to become a citizen in the US for some people.

That might be. But that doesn't mean automatically that legal immigration is almost impossible. To me, legal immigration is not the same as becoming a citizen. It is about being able to legally stay in a country (and work) for a long/indefinite time. And yes, even then there will be restrictions (as in needing permits, job, etc.).

Axver · 09-06-2016, 05:07 AM

I do love that at the same time as we are trying to make movement of goods as unrestricted as possible, the limitations on human movement are becoming more and more severe.

bono_212 · 09-06-2016, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DaveC

i know people who have emigrated to the United States from here that didn't have to wait anywhere near that long, and they didn't have American relatives nor were they rich. they mainly just worked hard, focused on a plan and got good jobs down there.

What LN7 said. There are limits per country, for one thing, and while there are over a million people waiting on the list from Mexico, Canada doesn't even show up in the mid ten thousands of people:

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Mexico
1,344,429
Philippines
417,511
India
344,208
Vietnam
282,375
China
-
mainland born
260,265
Dominican Republic
207,406
Bangladesh
183,159
Pakistan
131,465
Haiti
119,696
Cuba
115,208
El Salvador
82,045
Jamaica
58,368
Iran
53,306
Korea, South
52,887
Peru
51,772
All Others
851,921

Oregoropa · 09-06-2016, 08:46 AM

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Hillary's got the black lung, pop. *cough cough*

Conspiracy !!!

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DaveC · 09-06-2016, 09:36 AM

absolutely it takes a long time and you're right canadians have a definite advantage, i won't deny that and that's not my point here either. dfit00 seems to be saying that it's virtually impossible to immigrate legally to the united states, and provided a "source" that i'm just saying is highly exaggerated at best.

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Dfit00 War Child Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Palm Beach, FL Posts: 897 Local Time: 03:55 PM	My point is the fact that the scope of legal immigration is so complex, restrictive and inaccessible to the point that immigrating "legally" and following the rules is out of the question. Hence, the pathways to legal immigration cause the exploitation of the system itself which motivates immigrants to break the law to be within the law or within a "legal" status. This is the main reason of why the system is broken and why the privilege of immigrating legally does not necessarily go to those who need it the most, but rather to those willing to circumvent the law and pay its black market structure. __________________

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DaveC Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: the teeth of the hydra Posts: 22,724 Local Time: 03:55 PM	absolutely it takes a long time and you're right canadians have a definite advantage, i won't deny that and that's not my point here either. dfit00 seems to be saying that it's virtually impossible to immigrate legally to the united states, and provided a "source" that i'm just saying is highly exaggerated at best. __________________

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