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Old 01-10-2018, 04:30 PM   #761
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I wonder when we'll find out that there is no perfect system, and that the answer is an ever changing combination of all systems based on circumstances

Yeah, we are actually headed the opposite direction. Sports team politics. Hoohaw.
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Old 01-10-2018, 04:35 PM   #762
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Elections being on a weekend day makes sense to me. I'm sure there's a few good reasons not to, but I think it would help boost turnout overall if that's the goal.


I don't think I understand or have ever heard the argument against Election Day being a holiday.

Hell, please the private sector with *tax incentives* for taking the day off.
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The problem is also disengagement. Yes there are people who don’t vote because it’s a hassle to go the day of if they have to work or get kids from school or whatever. But early and absentee voting hasn’t really moved the needle with this crowd.

I think the majority of those who don’t vote just don’t care, are disengaged from the political system, have no interest, move in social circles that equally don’t care and making voting on a stat holiday would not incentivize them to do much more than sleep in.
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The problem is also disengagement. Yes there are people who don’t vote because it’s a hassle to go the day of if they have to work or get kids from school or whatever. But early and absentee voting hasn’t really moved the needle with this crowd.

I think the majority of those who don’t vote just don’t care, are disengaged from the political system, have no interest, move in social circles that equally don’t care and making voting on a stat holiday would not incentivize them to do much more than sleep in.


Disengagement is of course a problem. But you fight disengagement through a shift in culture. What's a better way to make a shift in culture than to make a day a celebrated holiday?
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Disengagement is of course a problem. But you fight disengagement through a shift in culture. What's a better way to make a shift in culture than to make a day a celebrated holiday?
You mean like how we all honor our veterans on Memorial Day by getting shit canned and going on vacation?

I don't think making it a holiday will push the needle. It may actually decrease participation.

I think we should focus simply on making it easier. More voting stations, better tech, less 80 year olds handing out long forms to be bubbled in.
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You mean like how we all honor our veterans on Memorial Day by getting shit canned and going on vacation?

I don't think making it a holiday will push the needle. It may actually decrease participation.
Yep.
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You mean like how we all honor our veterans on Memorial Day by getting shit canned and going on vacation?

I don't think making it a holiday will push the needle. It may actually decrease participation.

I think we should focus simply on making it easier. More voting stations, better tech, less 80 year olds handing out long forms to be bubbled in.


Well if you envision it like a voting tailgate, sure.
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I think things like extended voting hours and early voting via mail in ballots have a lot more potential to get people to vote than a holiday. As Headache said, I think most people would in fact treat a voting holiday as just that... a holiday. Same with putting it on a Saturday. I don't think most people are going to give up their Saturday to go wait in line to vote.

And, not to be harsh, but if you are so disinterested in democracy that you can't be bothered to vote, including doing something as simple as licking a stamp in some places, I'm not sure I want you voting anyway. The problem, IMO, isn't the inconvenience of voting, it's an apathetic citizenry.
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I think things like extended voting hours early voting via mail in ballots have a lot more potential to get people to vote than a holiday.
The majority of states already have early voting AND absentee voting. Some states are mail-in only voting. It has not moved the needle as I said.

I don't think that the disengaged care enough to vote regardless of the day or time. And I agree with you that they would be LESS likely to vote on a Saturday.

The only thing I can think of would be internet voting via app or something, the way you do for shareholder meetings but that is rife with problems. First you'd need to get your package with the voter access number in the mail on time (many people move, addresses on file are not updated, voters aren't registered in advance, mail delivery issues), then you'd have to make sure the voting isn't fraudulent, that there is no hacking, double voting, etc. I don't see it as realistic that we're there yet with technology and I also worry that people would see such elections as illegitimate.
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The state where I live (Oregon...no I'm Oregoropaaawhateverhe'saNazi), has vote by mail and just implemented automatic voter registration. Our voter turnout is one of the highest in the nation. Every state with a Democratic trifecta (governor, House, Senate), needs to implement those reforms. Boosting voter turnout is how Dems win.
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The majority of states already have early voting AND absentee voting. Some states are mail-in only voting. It has not moved the needle as I said.

I don't think that the disengaged care enough to vote regardless of the day or time. And I agree with you that they would be LESS likely to vote on a Saturday.

The only thing I can think of would be internet voting via app or something, the way you do for shareholder meetings but that is rife with problems. First you'd need to get your package with the voter access number in the mail on time (many people move, addresses on file are not updated, voters aren't registered in advance, mail delivery issues), then you'd have to make sure the voting isn't fraudulent, that there is no hacking, double voting, etc. I don't see it as realistic that we're there yet with technology and I also worry that people would see such elections as illegitimate.
i wonder if you would be able to verify your identity via the fingerprint scanner on your phone?
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Would there be a lot of pushback if we were to try and make voting mandatory? Or does that seem like something many would be okay with doing?
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Would there be a lot of pushback if we were to try and make voting mandatory? Or does that seem like something many would be okay with doing?


I think you'd find bipartisanship opposing mandatory voting. Quite against the freedom of choice that the country strives to achieve (though doesn't always get).
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Well if you envision it like a voting tailgate, sure.
Well, politics in this country is best envisioned as two sports teams and their respective fans playing each other for home field advantage.
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Well, politics in this country is best envisioned as two sports teams and their respective fans playing each other for home field advantage.


I'd play beer pong with Jeb!, that sounds like fun.
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What does everyone think of compulsory voting? Here in Aus everyone on the electoral role has to vote or face a fine. Of course political parties need to excite the youth of the day to actually sign onto the role, but our current right wing PM did that via the Marriage Equality survey. Idiot.

Voting also occurs on Saturdays, but it's very easy to vote early at your local council if it's more convenient. Democracy sausages are only served on Saturdays though!

I have friends back in the UK who seem leery of compulsory voting, so I'd imagine it would face an uphill battle in the US.
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I'd play beer pong with Jeb!, that sounds like fun.



I had a professor who did. He said Jeb always had the best drugs.
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What does everyone think of compulsory voting? Here in Aus everyone on the electoral role has to vote or face a fine. Of course political parties need to excite the youth of the day to actually sign onto the role, but our current right wing PM did that via the Marriage Equality survey. Idiot.

Voting also occurs on Saturdays, but it's very easy to vote early at your local council if it's more convenient. Democracy sausages are only served on Saturdays though!

I have friends back in the UK who seem leery of compulsory voting, so I'd imagine it would face an uphill battle in the US.


What are your thoughts on it? Do you think it’s a good policy?
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Sure do. I think it should be adopted in more countries worldwide, such as the USA. As an American, do you think it would be beneficial for your government to insist every eligible citizen casts a ballot at the expense of your freedom to not bother?
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Sure do. I think it should be adopted in more countries worldwide, such as the USA. As an American, do you think it would be beneficial for your government to insist every eligible citizen casts a ballot at the expense of your freedom to not bother?


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