Irvine511
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anitram said:
vote for a third-party candidate (sucks that you guys never actually have a viable one).
look out for Bloomberg. and Ron Paul.
anitram said:
vote for a third-party candidate (sucks that you guys never actually have a viable one).
joyfulgirl said:We need a heavy,
Irvine511 said:i'm just not sure that kind of gunslinging is going to go over so well with the rest of the world.
Irvine511 said:
i'd be very interested to see a Rudy vs. HRC debate. i'm guessing she'd clean his clock and make him look like the nasty bastard he really is.
anitram said:
I'm surprised that you're even unsure.
The rest of the (civilized) world simply does not operate on cowboy justice. 8 years of Giuliani after 8 years of Bush would irreparably damage the American reputation, and it's already in the shitter as it is.
Irvine511 said:
Giuliani isn't an idiot, though.
anitram said:
But he's also considerably less likeable than Bush, who for all his idiocy is at least somewhat personable. And he comes across as completely authoritarian and much more aggressive than Bush. The fact that he's not an idiot would actually help him less, because he seems more of a Cheney than a Bush, and compare their approval ratings around the world.
Inner El Guapo said:Concerning Kucinich, I could list easily 10 issues that he is far from the mainstream of either party. The front-runners and the second-tier candidates all have a pretty much vanilla platform, the seperations are variable between them but I think it's fair to say there isn't a dimes worth of difference between Clinton, Obama, Edwards and Dodd, Biden and Richardson.
The reasons why the others poll higher, again are variable, my point is the reason the last group, Kucinich and the rest of the fringees take positions too far from anything remotely electable.
Ross Perot won 20% of the vote and really had some momentum for a 3rd party candidate because of a few issues, he also had the baggage of some lame-brain ideas like a dollar gas tax that made a ton of people bail on him at the surface.
No matter what Kucinich may be spot on about, I personally agree with the abolition of NAFTA for one issue (among others) but for everyone of those issues that might resonate with possibly 25-30% (or whatever it would take to make a serious run), for everyone of those issues, he's off talking about .....
aboloshing the death penalty, which maybe the majority of Americans do not support, he's for decriminilization of marijuanna which is also out in the fringes, he wants to impeach Dick Cheney which would do nothing but galvanize the opposition, he wants to repeal the Patriot Act, which would be a HUGE weight around his neck in the general election, he supports amnesty for illegal immigrants, another losing issue even for a Dem.
He wants to cancel the tax cuts for the rich, there are rich Dems as well ya know? He wants to withdraw from Iraq yesterday, which is not a sensible position, even the most ardent of the anti-war crowd should know it would take a long long time to withdraw and some type of force will be needed if only for P.R. value, he continues to say the war in Iraq was based on a stack of lies which offends many people, even Dems, moreso military families of which there are Dems as well. He blasts others like Biden who refuse to de-defund the troops from armor that will protect them immensely, a huge loser of an issue there.
Consider all of the above in a general election sense.
Look, I'm not saying I disagree with him on all this and I don't pretend that there aren't others running for the Dem nomination who may believe some of the same things , but he has simply too much baggage and not enough vanilla in addition to whatever else.
Dodd and Biden are the most qualified yet don't poll higher than 5th in ANY poll. The biggest quality any of these people can have is electability. Kucinich has none.
Well, apparently not that interesting. Watching the re-run of it, I was struck by how easily each candidate took each question and scooped it up back into their regular stump speech material within a couple seconds.U2democrat said:This could get interesting. If I were a candidate I'd be scared to death, there's no telling what kind of questions will be put out there.
joyfulgirl said:I wish someone had asked about Blackwater. Maybe they're saving that one for the Republicans.
unico said:clinton wouldn't win my vote regardless of her color, sex, whatever else is in her genetic makeup. it has nothing to do with stereotyping. i just plain don't agree with platform.
Val said:
Of course if someone has given a candidate's platform serious consideration, and have decided to go with another, I respect that. But I can't tell you how many times I hear people say they can't stand Hillary and when asked why, they answer with "I just can't!" Often times it's a woman, and as one, I just find it very disheartening.
Anyway, I've said my "peace"
unico said:
i definitely know what you're talking about! i've met some people who really just can't stand her. you think that it is because she's a woman who doesn't meet up to their standards of what women should be?
i'm sort of surprised by the disdain for her. perhaps i've missed something...i just don't see that she's done much of anything to upset people. but...i haven't paind much attention to her, to be fair.