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Old 01-27-2011, 10:20 AM   #501
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also, if it's so critical for a child to have a mother and a father (which, sure, it usually is) why don't you focus your efforts on helping heterosexuals be less fucked up in their relationships rather than kicking gay people?

seems like two gay people getting married has little to do with dysfunctional heterosexuals.
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I mostly was raised by a single mother. My father was busy serving his 26 years in the U.S. Navy.

Now with DADT repealed, think of how many gay military families will be single parent homes, joining all of the straight military families.
Don't they know this isn't the American ideal? Aren't they patriotic?

A slight , but seriously, an ideal family? I have no fucking clue what that looks like.
Let's give children the best we can as a society (safety, education, food, a less toxic environment) and leave the family structure concerns to those that produce/raise the children.
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also, if it's so critical for a child to have a mother and a father (which, sure, it usually is) why don't you focus your efforts on helping heterosexuals be less fucked up in their relationships rather than kicking gay people?

seems like two gay people getting married has little to do with dysfunctional heterosexuals.
I'm allowed to fall short of the ideal as miserably as I want because my relationships, by the nature of their composition, implicitly still aim for it. It's a way of rationalizing felt conflicts between claiming individual freedoms while professing allegiance to traditional ideals; I can tell myself I'm just a more enlightened traditionalist. But it ignores the principle that if the state must stay off my back where family affairs are concerned (short of gross abuse/neglect) in recognition of my basic rights, then they must do the same for you as well.
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A quiet shift in GOP stance on gay marriage - Los Angeles Times
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Odds are that baby boy is straight
most all straight males do not want gay men looking at their private parts
if you don't believe me, just take your own survey

who is looking out for that baby's rights??
Wow. Dare I even dignify this with a response? Are you seriously that ignorant and unintelligent to draw such ridiculous conclusions? Extremely worrying!
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No, being homo is a choice and you know these two with their homo agenda will do everything to turn this child gay.

Another innocent soul lost
Same goes for this ludicrous statement! If there's a "homo agenda", how come gay individuals are the result of (and are often raised within) heterosexual relationships? And whichever idiot claimed that having both a Mother and a Father is imperative... although it might be ideal to have both your parents around, that isn't the case for many people, but they still turn out fine! Bono being a very famous example. Kids just need to be loved, regardless of their parent's gender.
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Might want to check your irony detector. They were both being satirical.
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Considering 'traditional family values' are not really working out looking at divorce rates, why not let two men, two women, or a woman and an octopus try and raise a child?

Alien and a gay bear?

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actually, iron horse, studies show that kids do best with two lesbian mothers.
How will boys raised by two women be able to carry on traditional American values like "kickin' ass" and "stuffing sad feelings so far down inside so that the hurt stops"?
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Might want to check your irony detector. They were both being satirical.
Lol oh, fair enough. Many people have views exactly like that, sadly, so I took their posts on face value. Apologies!
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How will boys raised by two women be able to carry on traditional American values like "kickin' ass" and "stuffing sad feelings so far down inside so that the hurt stops"?
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Wow. Dare I even dignify this with a response? Are you seriously that ignorant and unintelligent to draw such ridiculous conclusions? Extremely worrying!


4 out of 5 of my male friends turn away from my naked private parts, that is 80%, an overwhelming majority.

I have taken this survey several times, (and we are all straight, GOP, religious moral men)
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(and we are all straight, GOP, religious moral men)

aka, gay.
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also, if it's so critical for a child to have a mother and a father (which, sure, it usually is) why don't you focus your efforts on helping heterosexuals be less fucked up in their relationships rather than kicking gay people?

seems like two gay people getting married has little to do with dysfunctional heterosexuals.
A man and a woman as parents didn't really do all that much for me. If the gender part was all that was needed well I would have been all set. There seems to be an implied assumption that it's a happy, healthy relationship. Either that or no matter how horribly dysfunctional a straight relationship is, somehow it's still superior to two male or two female parents. Or that's automatically, innately, "dysfunctional" somehow?

Apparently the deal with the Elton John baby cover was that a few people complained about it in that store and that's why they covered it. Supposedly the policy is to cover it when they get complaints.

I love living where you don't see those covers in supermarkets. The only place I've seen them is in a few smaller stores, where minors would be, that sell Playboy, Hustler, etc. There's just something so sad to me about covering a picture of an innocent baby and his two loving parents.
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That's one very impressive 19 year old. Seems to be very well raised.

A 19-year-old University of Iowa engineering student defended gay marriage in a rousing testimony in front of the Iowa House of Representatives on Tuesday. Zack Wahls spoke out against a resolution which would end civil unions in Iowa by describing his own experience as the son of two lesbian partners.

"Our family really isn't so different from any other Iowa family," said Wahls. "When I am home, we go to church together, we eat dinner, we go on vacations."

Wahls emphasized the typical nature of his upbringing, as well as his own success. He is an Eagle Scout and a small business owner. He also scored in the 99th percentile on the ACT. "If I was your son, Mr. Chairman, I believe I would make you very proud," he said.

Wahls, a sixth-generation Iowan, finished his testimony on an impassioned note. "In my 19 years not once have I ever been confronted by an individual who realized independently that I was raised by a gay couple," he said. "And you know why? Because the sexual orientation of my parents has had zero effect on the content of my character."


YouTube - Zach Wahls Speaks About Family
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I thought someone else would have posted this by now


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That's one very impressive 19 year old. Seems to be very well raised.

A 19-year-old University of Iowa engineering student defended gay marriage in a rousing testimony in front of the Iowa House of Representatives on Tuesday. Zack Wahls spoke out against a resolution which would end civil unions in Iowa by describing his own experience as the son of two lesbian partners.

"Our family really isn't so different from any other Iowa family," said Wahls. "When I am home, we go to church together, we eat dinner, we go on vacations."

Wahls emphasized the typical nature of his upbringing, as well as his own success. He is an Eagle Scout and a small business owner. He also scored in the 99th percentile on the ACT. "If I was your son, Mr. Chairman, I believe I would make you very proud," he said.

Wahls, a sixth-generation Iowan, finished his testimony on an impassioned note. "In my 19 years not once have I ever been confronted by an individual who realized independently that I was raised by a gay couple," he said. "And you know why? Because the sexual orientation of my parents has had zero effect on the content of my character."


YouTube - Zach Wahls Speaks About Family
Hooray! Go, Zach, that's really cool. I hope his message made an impact.

There's been an awful lot of letters to state papers here in recent months opposing the removal of the three judges in last November's elections. Which pleases me .

Really cool to see Barbara Bush on board with supporting gay marriage as well .

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I'm just the fool here, but I believe,

it is wrong. (in my opinion)

It is not the family unit according to the Bible.
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No, you're right after all. We should live according to the Bible. Where "moral" lifestyles such as incest and adultery and children out of wedlock were rampant .

If hearing the story about Zach doesn't convince you that there's nothing wrong with this, I don't know what else I can possibly say to you anymore on this issue.

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I'm just the fool here, but I believe,

it is wrong. (in my opinion)

It is not the family unit according to the Bible.
It's just a book, let people make their own decisions.
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