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Old 07-21-2010, 01:50 PM   #341
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we have a conservative (GOP) giving us his enlightened views

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State Sen. Roy Ashburn disavows his gay-rights record

July 20, 2010 | 4:25 pm

State Sen. Roy Ashburn (R-Bakersfield), who earlier this year acknowledged that he is gay, has disavowed his record of voting against gay rights in the Legislature.

"I am sincerely sorry for the votes I cast and the actions I took that harmed lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people," he writes in an online opinion piece.

He argues in the essay on gaypolitics.com that it is “time for fair-minded Republicans to speak up” for such rights.

“I am no longer willing, nor able, to remain silent in the face of unequal and hurtful treatment of my community,” he wrote.

Ashburn, 56, is serving his final year in the Senate. He apologized for “regrettably and selfishly” voting against gay rights during his tenure as a lawmaker. “All this was done because I was afraid -- terrified, really -- that somehow I would be revealed as gay,” he wrote.

Ashburn acknowledged that, as a gay Republican, “I am somewhat of a novelty in politics,” but says he now fully embraces that bully pulpit to battle for gay rights.

“How can it possibly be that there is a partisan political divide over equal rights in America?”
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I'm so sick of people like him. He thinks that if he says he's sorry, and other people shouldn't do it, even though he did for years, that's it's all ok now? Bullshit.
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you don't think encouraging people to do the right thing is worth while ?


What is your opinion of Sen Robert Byrd ?
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Roy Ashburn has my sympathies. life in the closet is a unique kind of hell that makes people do crazy things. we'd be nowhere if we couldn't forgive, and so i'd rather do that.
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I'm so sick of people like him. He thinks that if he says he's sorry, and other people shouldn't do it, even though he did for years, that's it's all ok now? Bullshit.
Ah yes, so much better to keep on doing the wrong thing.

I don't see how your attitude toward him and other still closeted people is any better than that of the conservatives you hate so much. Both attitudes have to make it really difficult to ever come out. I suppose you think he should have come out in his teens or twenties but reality doesn't work that way. His actions now don't make it all ok, but it is a positive step, and positive steps, no matter how small, should be encouraged and appreciated.

Besides, having yet another politician who voted for virulently homophobic legislation come out (or be outed) may help in getting others to at least think twice before backing such legislation in the future lest they be thought of as gay.
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It's like the drunk drivers who suddenly go around telling people not to drink and drive. They didn't think of that before? No one else has ever mentioned it? They couldn't tell that what they were doing was wrong? C'mon.

Yes, Indra, I'm personally responsible for people not being able to come out. I'm Anita Bryant. Get a grip.
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What is your opinion of Sen Robert Byrd ?
Who? I don't really care about him, from the little I know.
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Roy Ashburn has my sympathies. life in the closet is a unique kind of hell that makes people do crazy things. we'd be nowhere if we couldn't forgive, and so i'd rather do that.
You, I take reproaches from. I understand he needs sympathy, but he's still full of shit.
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i'm just in a tender, sensitive mood today. it's a good time to ask me for favors.

tomorrow the invective might be back.
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but he's still full of shit.
What do you understand to be his true motives here?

I know, personally, that I've done things I knew were wrong at the time and still felt genuinely sorry for them later.

Who hasn't?
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What do you understand to be his true motives here?

Fear.

I have little time for people who legally and spiritually make people's lives miserable out of fear, and then say they're "sorry" and expect everything to be fine. They appear to have never thought long-term about what they've done/are doing.
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i'm just in a tender, sensitive mood today. it's a good time to ask me for favors.
I better think of something good, then.
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Fear.

I have little time for people who legally and spiritually make people's lives miserable out of fear, and then say they're "sorry" and expect everything to be fine. They appear to have never thought long-term about what they've done/are doing.
What I meant was what do you feel is his motive for apologizing?
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What I meant was what do you feel is his motive for apologizing?
Later on, I realized that's what you meant.

I think his motive for apologizing is that he got caught. That's it.

If he hadn't had to out himself, he's still be on his hateful path. This is a pattern I've seen with Republicans for decades: be hateful, exclusive, and restrictive , but only until the thing you oppose or hate applies to you, then all of a sudden you see the "light" and it (whatever it was) isn't so bad after all because holy crap! it was you yourself you were fighting against.
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Later on, I realized that's what you meant.

I think his motive for apologizing is that he got caught. That's it.

If he hadn't had to out himself, he's still be on his hateful path. This is a pattern I've seen with Republicans for decades: be hateful, exclusive, and restrictive , but only until the thing you oppose or hate applies to you, then all of a sudden you see the "light" and it (whatever it was) isn't so bad after all because holy crap! it was you yourself you were fighting against.
I see. The excerpt Irvine posted didn't indicated that he'd been forced to out himself. I don't know the background to the story.
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I see. The excerpt Irvine posted didn't indicated that he'd been forced to out himself. I don't know the background to the story.

agreed, he'd still be hurting gay people if he hadn't been outed, but now that he has been, he's done the right thing.

and i'll bet you dollars to donuts that he actually does regret what he's done, and his life has changed for the better because he's now out of the closet and the world hasn't ended and he can now live honestly and he's going to retire and not seek reelection and hopefully he'll do something like work for the Trevor Project. none of us can understand his journey, and though it's sad that he's hurt people, i'll take him over Miss Larry "I'M NOT GAY!!!" Craig any day of the week.

and now, as ever, we see that there's something really, really gay about homophobia.
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Miss Larry "I'M NOT GAY!!!" Craig
That was my first thought, too. Even though he got caught and that's what got us to where we're at, there's still worse that he could have done.
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and now, as ever, we see that there's something really, really gay about homophobia.
Yep.

Magazine exposes 'double life' of Vatican's gay priests - The Irish Times - Sat, Jul 24, 2010
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So, anyone following the Minnesota Governor race/Target Corp dust-up?

It's no secret that Target overwhelmingly supports Republican political candidates, but this Minnesota Forward group and Tom Emmer are too much.

Under fire, Target CEO defends political spending, company's record on gay rights - TwinCities.com
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Heh-heh. Who knew that Republicans would be both business-friendly and anti-gay?
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