The Baby Boomer Ban Generation

[the iron horse]

Yeah, they were all free love and freedom stuff in the 60s, but now that they are members of government and local city counsils they seem hell bent on banning everything they view as bad for the rest of us.

What a drag you flower people turned out to be.


OK...

I'm lighting a Camel non-filter and drinking a glass of whole milk.

I know...I'll be dead in a hundred years or less.

You will be too.


What do you think?

[CTU2fan]

Very true. I think deep down they remember all the shit they got into and don't want their kids into it, or worse.

But I'm not their kid.

Edit: But I also think every generation goes through that. Young people are progressive generally, compared to their parents...but then they get older, and want everything to stay the same. Nature I guess.

[verte76]

I think the banners are putting quantity over quality. They want to make everyone's life miserable trying to "save" them, and in effect are making their lives a complete hell. If someone wants to smoke Camel filterless and drink whole milk, that's strictly their business, and none of mine.

[deep]

Originally posted by the iron horse


I'm lighting a Camel non-filter and drinking a glass of whole milk.

I wish you wouldn't

I need you around to pay into Social Security

a good portion of your wages belong to me

(Planning to spend my golden years in Vegas, where the sins of the 60s may still not be forbodden.)

[INDY500]

Originally posted by verte76
I think the banners are putting quantity over quality. They want to make everyone's life miserable trying to "save" them, and in effect are making their lives a complete hell. If someone wants to smoke Camel filterless and drink whole milk, that's strictly their business, and none of mine.

Right on!!

[DrTeeth]

Don't forget to inhale, kids!

[Vincent Vega]

What's the problem with whole milk?

[Ormus]

I think I remember this exact thread not too long ago here.

Anyway, if you want to kill yourself, go right ahead. Just make sure to cancel your Medicare and health insurance coverage first, because your "irresponsibility" leads to higher health care costs for the rest of us.

[A_Wanderer]

Why should the rest of us be paying for idiots - practically a slogan against public healthcare. Incidently did anybody just see the story that the ammount of education is a large control on health long term; a little knowledge may not be such a dangerous thing.

[Ormus]

Originally posted by A_Wanderer
Why should the rest of us be paying for idiots - practically a slogan against public healthcare.

An irrelevant side tangent, because whether your health care is public or private, idiots are still running up the bill, as American health insurance premiums can attest.

[A_Wanderer]

Maybe idiots should be picking up the bill; higher premiums on the basis of risk factors, but then is it allowable to take the step beyond the strictly environmental and go to genetic?

[BVS]

Originally posted by Ormus
I think I remember this exact thread not too long ago here.

Anyway, if you want to kill yourself, go right ahead. Just make sure to cancel your Medicare and health insurance coverage first, because your "irresponsibility" leads to higher health care costs for the rest of us.

Yes I remember this thread as well, too lazy to look...

But yes if you don't want to be healthy, that's fine, just make sure you do it on your own time and own bill. Don't expect me to pay for it.

Yes there are some that are going overboard, and I find it just as annoying as this type of whining. Extremes on both ends are hurting us.

[randhail]

It's not just idiots that are running up the health insurance premiums. The whole system is set up based on treatment rather than prevention. Ask any health care provider how hard it would be to make a living through preventation alone. Tests and procedures need to be done in order to get reimbursemants. Development of drugs A and B along with diagnostic machines C and D are driving the cost up to. It's sort of like an arms race going on. So in the eyes of many, the guy smoking unfiltered camels drinking whole milk is a better patient than the patient who runs 5 miles and drinks a glass of wine a day. So living a healthier life will do little to bring premiums down under this current system.

[BVS]

Originally posted by randhail
It's not just idiots that are running up the health insurance premiums. The whole system is set up based on treatment rather than prevention. Ask any health care provider how hard it would be to make a living through preventation alone. Tests and procedures need to be done in order to get reimbursemants. Development of drugs A and B along with diagnostic machines C and D are driving the cost up to. It's sort of like an arms race going on. So in the eyes of many, the guy smoking unfiltered camels drinking whole milk is a better patient than the patient who runs 5 miles and drinks a glass of wine a day. So living a healthier life will do little to bring premiums down under this current system.

Well this is somewhat backwards logic. Development for drugs a and b, or treatment c and d wouldn't be such a lucrative industry if weren't for those with the attitudes of iron horse.

[randhail]

Originally posted by BonoVoxSupastar


Well this is somewhat backwards logic. Development for drugs a and b, or treatment c and d wouldn't be such a lucrative industry if weren't for those with the attitudes of iron horse.

Exactly, it's definitely backwards logic, but it's whats going on - the whole system feeds on it. Health care seems to disobey the tradition rules of economics. It's really amazing when you sit down and look at how messed up the system is. Without a major overhaul of the system, which in it's own right would be extremely difficult, the problem will only get worse.

[INDY500]

Originally posted by randhail
It's not just idiots that are running up the health insurance premiums. The whole system is set up based on treatment rather than prevention. Ask any health care provider how hard it would be to make a living through preventation alone. Tests and procedures need to be done in order to get reimbursemants. Development of drugs A and B along with diagnostic machines C and D are driving the cost up to. It's sort of like an arms race going on. So in the eyes of many, the guy smoking unfiltered camels drinking whole milk is a better patient than the patient who runs 5 miles and drinks a glass of wine a day. So living a healthier life will do little to bring premiums down under this current system.

Agreed, driven as well by the fear, and reality, of frivolous and predatory malpractice lawsuits.

(Paging John Edwards)

If we continue down this path, there is no doubt where it will end. After all, if it is appropriate for the government to protect us from using dangerous guns and bicycles--logic calls for prohibiting still more dangerous activities such as hand gliding, motorcycling, skiing. If the government is to protect us from ingesting dangerous substances, the logic calls for prohibiting alcohol and tobacco.
Let the government give us information but let us decide for ourselves what chances we want to take with our own lives.
--Milton Friedman

[BVS]

Originally posted by randhail


Exactly, it's definitely backwards logic, but it's whats going on - the whole system feeds on it. Health care seems to disobey the tradition rules of economics. It's really amazing when you sit down and look at how messed up the system is. Without a major overhaul of the system, which in it's own right would be extremely difficult, the problem will only get worse.

Yes there are huge problems with the system, I won't deny that, but there are also major moves forward. We are keeping people in hospital stay a lot less, treatments are quicker, better, etc but it's still the patients that are running up the majority of problems.

[INDY500]

Originally posted by A_Wanderer
Maybe idiots should be picking up the bill; higher premiums on the basis of risk factors, but then is it allowable to take the step beyond the strictly environmental and go to genetic?

And how long before these arguments are used to justify infanticide of disabled babies deemed "too expensive?"

[A_Wanderer]

Are we talking selecting embryos, engineering our children, abortion or infantide because im alright with 3/4.

[INDY500]

Originally posted by A_Wanderer
Are we talking selecting embryos, engineering our children, abortion or infantide because im alright with 3/4.

“We can terminate for serious foetal abnormality up to term but cannot kill a newborn. What do people think has happened in the passage down the birth canal to make it okay to kill the foetus at one end of the birth canal but not at the other?”
-- John Harris, a member of the England's Human Genetics Commission and professor of bioethics at Manchester University.
Nov 2006,

Using this logic, why wouldn't embryo selection, genetic engineering, abortion and infanticide all be considered medically ethical options?