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Old 08-13-2007, 06:04 PM   #141
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Then, of course, there are pictures like this:























Oh, I'm sorry. That's hateful. Completely hateful.















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Old 08-13-2007, 06:04 PM   #142
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many anti-gay groups that Bush pandered to by hinting at trying to get an ammendment banning gay marriage.
Yikes.

You think opposing gay marriage is "hate?" You think that is the same as the Tony Snow poll, which is real hate? You cant be serious. If so, you dont know the meaning of hate, sir.

But you are right in one regard. I have failed. I am failing to convince you all that the Democrats attending Kos is an important issue, and says a lot that they will attend that but not go on FNC.

Seriously though, I'm getting bored with this topic. I think I'm done posting in here, so you all can say whatever you want. It ain't much fun being the "1" in a "20 against 1" discussion/debate/whatever you want to call it, regardless of which side is "correct".
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Old 08-13-2007, 06:14 PM   #143
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Yikes.

You think opposing gay marriage is "hate?" You think that is the same as the Tony Snow poll, which is real hate? You cant be serious. If so, you dont know the meaning of hate, sir.

But you are right in one regard. I have failed. I am failing to convince you all that the Democrats attending Kos is an important issue, and says a lot that they will attend that but not go on FNC.

One is an example of poor humor, the other actually wants to deny rights. Apples and oranges.

One is harmless the other IS hate. Sorry you can't see that.

You failed because you never even attempted to define what you started. And your constantly bringing up FNC is hilarious, you've been shown why they pulled out.


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Seriously though, I'm getting bored with this topic. I think I'm done posting in here, so you all can say whatever you want. It ain't much fun being the "1" in a "20 against 1" discussion/debate/whatever you want to call it, regardless of which side is "correct".
I'm sure it's difficult to have a minority opinion, but the only reason if feels like it's "against" is that you never back anything up. You say a lot of things but you never show sources, apply logic, or actually define anything. So of course you're going to get a little flack. If you did back things up things would be a lot different.
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Apparently you have never seen hate.
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You think opposing gay marriage is "hate?"
YES.

Opposing rights for people based on their sexual orientation is far far far far more hateful than a lame, meanspirited internet poll about Tony Snow's cancer.
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Old 08-13-2007, 06:33 PM   #146
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YES.

Opposing rights for people based on their sexual orientation is far far far far more hateful than a lame, meanspirited internet poll about Tony Snow's cancer.
If I were to oppose heterosexual marraige, does that mean I hate heterosexual people?

I like this reasoning. I'm seeing a line of t-shirts.
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Old 08-13-2007, 06:37 PM   #147
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If I were to oppose heterosexual marraige, does that mean I hate heterosexual people?

I like this reasoning. I'm seeing a line of t-shirts.
You may not hate heterosexual people, but denying a person rights just because of who they are is a hateful action.
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Right, inalienable rights.

I agree on that part. That's why, I think we should remove the 'sexual orientation' aspect of it from all law whatsoever. I think anyone should be allowed to form a civil union/partnership with anyone else. Question is, do you limit it to 2 people?
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Old 08-13-2007, 06:43 PM   #149
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You may not hate heterosexual people, but denying a person rights just because of who they are is a hateful action.
For that matter, we do deny a lot of people a lot of rights for a variety of reasons. Citizens enjoy certain rights over non-citizens. Felons are denied a variety of rights, as are children.

There are more examples, but the basic human rights, I think are generally protected well in this country.
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Old 08-13-2007, 06:46 PM   #150
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Right, inalienable rights.

I agree on that part. That's why, I think we should remove the 'sexual orientation' aspect of it from all law whatsoever. I think anyone should be allowed to form a civil union/partnership with anyone else. Question is, do you limit it to 2 people?

Maybe you can ask Moses if having more than one wife was a good idea in hindsight.
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For that matter, we do deny a lot of people a lot of rights for a variety of reasons. Citizens enjoy certain rights over non-citizens. Felons are denied a variety of rights, as are children.

There are more examples, but the basic human rights, I think are generally protected well in this country.
Are you really comparing law abiding consenting adults to children and felons?

Wow...
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I'm not really thinking of 'wives'. More like, two, three, brothers or something along those lines.
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I'm not really thinking of 'wives'. More like, two, three, brothers or something along those lines.
You want to marry your brothers?

You lost me there.
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Yeah. It's a bit of a farce that some teenagers are not allowed to marry right? Even though, one can get married in Mississippi at 15, one must wait till 19 in Nebraska.

Wouldn't you say that is a fair comparison for debate's sake?
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Marry, as in a civil/union or partnership. That they have the same rights (tax deductions, beneficiaries, etc...) as a married couple. Say they farm and live together, a real partnership in life. Why would we deny these guys the same rights as a gay couple or hetero couple. I say ignore the sex part.
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I'm not really thinking of 'wives'. More like, two, three, brothers or something along those lines.
This is really all you people have , isn't it?
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Who are/is 'you people'?
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Yeah. It's a bit of a farce that some teenagers are not allowed to marry right? Even though, one can get married in Mississippi at 15, one must wait till 19 in Nebraska.

Wouldn't you say that is a fair comparison for debate's sake?

No, because all 15 year olds regardless of sex and race have all the same rights in that state. If the teenagers from Mississippi wanted to get married they could move, as long as they were straight.
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Who are/is 'you people'?
Those of you terrified by the thought that two men who love each other might get married.
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Right, isn't the situation similar for gay marriage now? One must move right?

And the question at hand is "denying rights is hate". I posed examples of how we deny some folks under 19 the right to marry, in some states. You claim, this is not a fair comparison. I say it is.
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